Superfatting & curing times for Pine Tar soap

[goji_fries]

Anything really different in your own experiences? Did you have to superfat less with pine tar? Were the curing times the same? Any oils work better in combination with PT for you?

This scent drives me insane and I am reminded about making a batch or 10 but don't want to blow it. Thank you for your inputs. :wave:

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

Usual sf with a usual recipe but sub out maybe 10% from soft oils for the pt. Cure for at least 4 weeks, of course, but longer is better

 

[DeeAnna]

The PT is unavoidably going to make the soap somewhat softer, so I really keep that in mind when I formulate a recipe. I start with a recipe that makes a hard, long lasting bar -- a tallow/palm/lard based recipe is good with modest dollops of coconut oil and olive. Don't need the cleansing or bubbles to be sky high.

I don't use a high superfat, again to avoid building in more softness. I superfat at 3-5%, which is my norm. If using PT soap for skin issues, a high superfat may not be a good thing, so that's another issue one might want to keep in mind.

You can reduce the soft oils as The Gent suggests, or simply reduce all the fats by the % you want as PT. Example: recipe calls for 1000 g fats. Use 100 g of PT and 900 g of fats.

Be careful unmolding due to the softness. Cure time is roughly the same as for any other soap -- at least 4-6 weeks.

 

[dosco]

The PT is unavoidably going to make the soap somewhat softer, so I really keep that in mind when I formulate a recipe. I start with a recipe that makes a hard, long lasting bar -- a tallow/palm/lard based recipe is good with modest dollops of coconut oil and olive. Don't need the cleansing or bubbles to be sky high.

I don't use a high superfat, again to avoid building in more softness. I superfat at 3-5%, which is my norm. If using PT soap for skin issues, a high superfat may not be a good thing, so that's another issue one might want to keep in mind.

You can reduce the soft oils as The Gent suggests, or simply reduce all the fats by the % you want as PT. Example: recipe calls for 1000 g fats. Use 100 g of PT and 900 g of fats.

Be careful unmolding due to the softness. Cure time is roughly the same as for any other soap -- at least 4-6 weeks.

What's a typical amount for PT?

The other currently active thread made it seem like a much much higher percentage of PT was being used.

Cheers-
Dave

 

[DeeAnna]

Pine tar in soap typically can range from just a few percent -- maybe 3-5% -- up to 20%. (Give a link to the "other thread" perhaps, so we have a clue what you're talking about?) At 20% or more, the soap becomes increasingly soft regardless of the base soap recipe.

 

[dosco]

Pine tar in soap typically can range from just a few percent -- maybe 3-5% -- up to 20%. (Give a link to the "other thread" perhaps, so we have a clue what you're talking about?) At 20% or more, the soap becomes increasingly soft regardless of the base soap recipe.

I'm considering making some PT soap and am curious ...

First post of this thread.

 

[DeeAnna]

Thanks, Dosco. I see only one person mentioned the % of PT he was going to use in the link you shared, so I don't know that I'd assume 20% is the most typical amount used. This has been debated quite a few times on SMF in addition to the thread you shared, so maybe it might be worth your while to check a few other threads to get a wider perspective. For starters, see http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showthread.php?p=453404 and http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showthread.php?t=44679