I was asking about adding beeswax and honey to soap in the recipes section and just wanted to ask here about my recipe (below) before experimenting! Anything I should know, or be wary of before something blows up in my face from mixing? :mrgreen:
Hi Irish Lass,Did you make your soap yet? I'm probably late to the party, but for what it's worth, everything looks fine to me.
I think I posted a link to my honey/beeswax thread in your other thread entitled 'All about da bees", but for what it's worth,here's a direct link to the exact post where I explain my honey/beeswax process: http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showpost.php?p=536352&postcount=16 ), in case you want any extra tips.
From what I understand from good Gent Here, I believe it will reduce the amount of active lye by 40% of the amount of honey used, which would then actually increase the superfat. For example: I used honey at 5% ppo in my soap...... 40% of 5% = 2%..... so, 2% the available lye that should have gone to saponify my oils got eaten by the honey so to speak, which means I was left with a 2% increase in superfat (i.e., instead of an overall 6% superfat, I ended up with a 8% superfat). However, my soap's lathering abilities were still greater than what I normally experience in that particular formula as compared to when I don't use honey in it......unless I also use milk with the honey, that is. lol I hope that made sense. If not, let me know!Hi Irish Lass,
I have read a few of your posts on honey and SF and Salt bars. Thank you so much for all the detail you put into your posts. I am still a little confused.
If I add honey it reduces the SF by 40% of the amount of honey used.
Is that right? But it increases lather? (unless you go higher than the magical point or use milk).
If you are also going to use honey in your soap, the extra lye you add to compensate for the CA might actually make it so that things break even....but I'm not completely 100% sure on that as I've never used CA in my soap and am not sure how much extra lye one needs to use with CA. Hopefully someone with more experience with CA will chime in on that.If I add CA and add the extra lye does this makes it SF neutral? This just effects the scum not the lather or conditioning.
From what I'm able to understand, I don't believe superfat has much if any bearing on soap scum (hopefully someone will chime in to confirm or deny), although high superfats may cause a bit of gunky/oily build-up in your pipes, which is different than soap scum. Soap scum forms when the minerals in hard water (such as calcium) react with the sodium salts in the soap. This reaction forms an insoluble salt/soap, better known as the nefarious soap scum. Basically, scum will form no matter what your superfat %, if you have hard water. But chelators such as CA or tetrasodium EDTA will help bind with the minerals to combat that, which in turn frees things up so that your soap lathers better.Does aiming for 0% SF mean I will get a low scum soap?
Is this a good aim or should one be aiming for a higher SF for the soap to be more conditioning on your skin?
Or is adjusting SF all about lather and not about conditioning on your skin
That is certainly your prerogative. However, on the off chance that you read some of the more...shall we say...alarmist...articles available on the internet, here is a fairly unbiased article:After reading up about tetrasodium EDTA I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
LOL. Don't you just hate it when that happens!Irish Lass,
thank you so much for your explanation. I have been trying for 7 months to perfect creamy lather to be told just yesterday that my DH prefers bubbles! Back to the drawing board for me.
I love Manuka honey. I always keep a small jar on hand for medicinal uses. If anyone in my family comes down with a sore throat in the winter-time, it really helps to knock it right out. It's very expensive here, though- having to be imported from overseas and all. We treat it like a precious treasure that should only be used in case of emergencies.Map reference,
I do not add my honey to lye. I only ever use raw honey (it's difficult to find honey with additives in Oz) and mostly I use Manuka honey.
True that. I think that a lot of the variation in experiences from soaper to soaper may very likely have much to do with the different, specific make-up of our ingredients, and/or where/when they are sourced.What I find annoying about soap is that two people can have a different experience with a method and a final soap and I don't think it comes down to variation of description.
I think you have to find something (method or final properties- that may take 6-24 months to appear) that works for you, then tweek it until it is great.
Unless you hot process the soap, the lye is still very present and active, even at trace. Also, soap is a wash-off product, so I doubt the goodies in honey would have much chances to benefit the skin. In soap, I think raw honey vs processed honey comes down to label appeal. I use raw honey, b/c I don't want to bother with 2 separate jars of honey - eating honey vs soaping honey.Wouldn't adding the honey during the hot phase defeat the purpose of using honey? Honey breaks down at 160 degrees Fahrenheit destroying most the enzymes that make honey a strong nutrient (for both the inside and outside of the body). The exothermic reaction of lye and water goes well beyond that temperature. If you have to have honey in your soap (I suppose I could see a purpose for hard soap) I would just say not to waste money buying an expensive raw honey as its going to basically be turned into processed honey anyways during that reaction with the lye.
Lye being present doesn't have any effect on the honey itself. It's the exothermic heat in the reaction with the water that would process the honey from its natural state into basically liquid fructose.Unless you hot process the soap, the lye is still very present and active, even at trace. Also, soap is a wash-off product, so I doubt the goodies in honey would have much chances to benefit the skin. In soap, I think raw honey vs processed honey comes down to label appeal. I use raw honey, b/c I don't want to bother with 2 separate jars of honey - eating honey vs soaping honey.