Psoriasis and coconut oil allergy

[AlicesWonderhands]

Hello fellow soapers!
I have a client who has psoriasis in her scalp and she is allergic to coconut oil. my first thought was to make her a salt bar for her skin, but this may not be good for the hair AND C.O. burns her skin!

Any ideas on a shampoo bar recipie for this teenager? she has a bald spot where the psoriasis is and I would love to help her gain some self esteem and comfort back.

 

[cmzaha]

A trip to a good dermatologist will do much more than you can. You *Cannot* treat her scalp, and I personally would not be responible. What if you make her a soap that lends to a severe life threatening allergic reaction... Yes it can happen. She needs a good doctor who can help her figure out the best treatment.

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

^^^ this.

I think this is a great point for all new soapers to keep in mind - some things need the expert advice like a dermatologist.

Imagine what would happen if we didn't know she had a co allergy? Ouch. Now what else is there that we might not know? Not a risk worth taking

 

[Jstar]

Going to have to agree with the others here..we can't make medical claims on our soap. Altho homemade soap can help alleviate some issues, {like dryness etc} it's not wise to attempt to create a product for those suffering from actual allergies...and if she is allergic to CO, she may have other unknown allergies that maybe even 'she' isn't aware of..best to let a Dr advise her on what she can and cannot use, and 'then' go from there.

 

[Susie]

I can't help you on the psoriasis, as only a physician can treat that(and even then it is trial and error at best). I can tell you that you will have to make a lot of batches without CO, then give her small bars to see what bothers her the least. This will not be a simple process(vast understatement), and I admire you for trying to help a friend.

If it were me, I would begin looking at high lard or tallow soaps as you will need something that will yield a harder bar. Unless you have 6+ months to allow Castile soap to cure. No colors or scents. Just soap until you know what is safe for her.

But my biggest concern, by far, is that CO allergies sometimes go hand-in-hand with other allergies and you could possibly trigger one of those. If it were me, I would not make soap for her without a list of known allergens from an allergy specialist that has done a full battery of allergy testing in the last 3-6 months. I do understand you are trying to help her, but you are leaving yourself open to be sued if she has a reaction.

 

[boyago]

Hello fellow soapers!
I have a client who has psoriasis in her scalp and she is allergic to coconut oil. my first thought was to make her a salt bar for her skin, but this may not be good for the hair AND C.O. burns her skin!

Any ideas on a shampoo bar recipie for this teenager? she has a bald spot where the psoriasis is and I would love to help her gain some self esteem and comfort back.

Your friend probably already has a dermatologist, I think you should recruit your friend as an agent to grill the Dr on all the soaping snake oil cures for skin abnormalities. Pine tar, neem oil, EOs for acne ect. and have her report back here with the goods.
On the more serious end of this It would be really nice of you to tell her to let her doctor know that she has a soapmaker that would be willing to make her custom soaps and what suggestions do they have in the way of ingredients.

 

[sassanellat]

There is a fantastic shampoo for people with psoriasis called Nizoral, which you can get a prescription for from your doctor/dermatologist. It is pretty stripping, but you only need to use it occasionally, and you can use a good conditioner after. It really works well for moderate to severe psoriasis.

 

[Susie]

Here is the list of ingredients for Nizoral Shampoo:

Nizoral Shampoo Description

NIZORAL® (ketoconazole) 2% Shampoo is a red-orange liquid for topical application, containing the broad spectrum synthetic antifungal agent ketoconazole in a concentration of 2% in an aqueous suspension. It also contains: coconut fatty acid diethanolamide, disodium monolauryl ether sulfosuccinate, F.D.&C. Red No. 40, hydrochloric acid, imidurea, laurdimonium hydrolyzed animal collagen, macrogol 120 methyl glucose dioleate, perfume bouquet, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, sodium lauryl ether sulfate, and purified water.

Please note that it contains "cococnut fatty acid diethanolamide". I would strongly suggest that you not tell your friend about this as it does contain coconut ingredients. Which goes to show you why you should never take medical advice from people on a soaping forum.(And why people on a soaping forum without a medical license should never give medical advice.}

 

[Jstar]

Here is the list of ingredients for Nizoral Shampoo:

Nizoral Shampoo Description

NIZORAL® (ketoconazole) 2% Shampoo is a red-orange liquid for topical application, containing the broad spectrum synthetic antifungal agent ketoconazole in a concentration of 2% in an aqueous suspension. It also contains: coconut fatty acid diethanolamide, disodium monolauryl ether sulfosuccinate, F.D.&C. Red No. 40, hydrochloric acid, imidurea, laurdimonium hydrolyzed animal collagen, macrogol 120 methyl glucose dioleate, perfume bouquet, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, sodium lauryl ether sulfate, and purified water.

Please note that it contains "cococnut fatty acid diethanolamide". I would strongly suggest that you not tell your friend about this as it does contain coconut ingredients. Which goes to show you why you should never take medical advice from people on a soaping forum.(And why people on a soaping forum without a medical license should never give medical advice.}

Amen sister

 

[girlishcharm2004]

Sodium lauryl ether sulfate is also derived from coconuts. I guess it would depend on how specific the allergy is.

 

[Susie]

I did not know that, but I will file it away.

If you have a "client", why are you posting questions in the beginner's forum?

 

[sassanellat]

Sodium lauryl ether sulfate is also derived from coconuts. I guess it would depend on how specific the allergy is.

Exactly. Allergies are usually to proteins, and although it's possible to be allergic to the component listed, it's highly unlikely due to the size, being a lipid, being chemically modified, etc.

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

Unlikely, but possible - if they have a coconut allergy then it is possible that they could react to a product containing coconut. Which leads me to..........

......//This is a soaping forum, not a 'treating psoriasis' forum. Please leave all advice for helping the psoriasis at home.

 

[Susie]

I can't help you on the psoriasis, as only a physician can treat that(and even then it is trial and error at best).

But my biggest concern, by far, is that CO allergies sometimes go hand-in-hand with other allergies and you could possibly trigger one of those. If it were me, I would not make soap for her without a list of known allergens from an allergy specialist that has done a full battery of allergy testing in the last 3-6 months. I do understand you are trying to help her, but you are leaving yourself open to be sued if she has a reaction.

I guess someone missed this statement.(Not you, Craig.)

Also, I never said Nizoral was a bad product. Just that it contains something that the "client" has already said she is allergic to. Did you not read the list of ingredients before giving medical advice without a license?

 

[AlicesWonderhands]

1. this "client" is as good as my own daughter, there is a reason she came to me.
2. my question was about soap making, not doctors or other products.
3. "asking your doctor" is one of the biggest scams of the century. the man in his white coat, who receives kick backs from the prescriptionous poisons he prescribes no longer has our trust here in the mountains. its a cop out to keep from getting sued. this is not an issue in my case. i simply want to know how I can make a shampoo bar with out coconut oil and if any of you have wisdom on oils that help psoriasis.

 

[cmzaha]

1. this "client" is as good as my own daughter, there is a reason she came to me.
2. my question was about soap making, not doctors or other products.
3. "asking your doctor" is one of the biggest scams of the century. the man in his white coat, who receives kick backs from the prescriptionous poisons he prescribes no longer has our trust here in the mountains. its a cop out to keep from getting sued. this is not an issue in my case. i simply want to know how I can make a shampoo bar with out coconut oil and if any of you have wisdom on oils that help psoriasis.

You already got snotty with me on another thread, but here I go again... I really do not think anyone is going to suggest any oils, additives etc to use in the soap, so just do a lot of research and hopefully you do not hit on something else she is severly allergic to. I without a doctor I would have died several yrs ago of anaphylactic shock and this was something I have used for many years. You want to take the risk and keep the treatment in the mountains go for it, just do not ask us to contribute.

 

[DeeAnna]

Take a deep breath, folks. It's time to let things mellow a bit, please.

 

[Dahila]

without a doctor I would have died several yrs ago of anaphylactic shock and this was something I have used for many years.

Same here, I have severe allergies to medication (ASA) and honey bee sting. I would not survive if it was not the help from docs

 

[Lindy]

Tallow is wonderful for shampoo bars.

 

[Susie]

As is lard.