how to speed trace?

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    I know this is the opposite of what most people complain about, but I have a slow-moving recipe that I'd like to speed up. I made it last week and I spent a lot of time stick-blending, standing around, and just generally wasting time.
    80% lard
    20% CO
    water : lye: 2.67
    5% SF

    I could soap warmer, but since it's lard, I don't want to overheat it.
    I could add TD, but the soap is already pure white.
    Fragrance is non-accelerating.
    Is there something I can do with water?
    Or should I just plan to bring a good book into the soaping kitchen?
     
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    I would soap warmer.....Lard can take a higher heat. Or do the heat transfer method. Add your hot lye to the Lard/CO that may work too. Also less liquid would help as well. TD does work but as you said it's already pretty white. You could also use a faster moving FO or EO.
     
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    You could water discount. Most of my recipes trace fast.
     
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    Thanks @shunt2011 and @SideDoorSoaps .
    FO already set (Christmas soaps!!!) but I will go hotter if I can. I thought ppl said that lard started to smell if you went too hot.

    @SideDoorSoaps what water ratio would you recommend? I have to be honest that that's one thing I rarely vary...and sometimes don't even notice what ratio/percentage I'm using. I'm either following one or using the default in SoapCal.
     
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    Maybe 35-40% lye concentration. I've not done more than 33% to be honest. I mostly use 29-31%.
     
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    I see a big 40%, ok gonna try it! Wish me luck!
    (will be back here complaining about soap on a stick :p)
    thanks!

    No sugars. I think I didn't mix it enough. I didn't realize how much time it would take to disperse properly. I guess you disperse it in the oil before adding the lye?

    For the color, it was earl grey loose tea - the lye makes it a really dark color and you get a pretty good brown w/o using a mica/oxide - it's the look I was after. I think you nailed it though, probably a dispersion problem.

    Ok did it! Liquids cooled off more than I intended because I was waiting for the furnace guy to finish up. Soaped at about 1o5F. SB like crazy. Got it to thin trace when I realised that batter was much yellower than anticipated so started tearing the house apart looking for the TD. Batter continued to thicken...
    Original plan was 70% white and 15% each red and green. Quickly decided to up that to 33% across the board, since the white was so yellow. Even the TD didn't make much difference. Oh, looky here! A discolouring FO that I somehow overlooked....why do I always forget to (double) check these things???
    Will post pix once they're out of the mould.
     
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    Swap half your lard for tallow
     
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    that would slow down trace immensely, as I have no tallow ;-)
     
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    Can’t wait to see!
     
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    Love your stories @MGM - and surely a Christmas soap could do with some Clove or cinnamon EO? That would do it! Made coffee soap yesterday and added a mere 3g of cinnamon leaf (into a 1ltr oils batch) and off it went within seconds!
     
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    Thyme EO works too. Figured that one out the hard way.
     
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    I'm glad you asked! That was last week's Christmas soap, that took forever to trace: orange and vanilla M&P embeds, with clove in the CP batter. Clove is so strong and I dislike it, so I went easy....but then suddenly the bottle was empty! So I went and got the Allspice FO that I swore I wouldn't have a use for and started putting fragrance in the batter....but then I remembered that it has some sort of crazy low usage rate (I later checked.....0.99%) so I stopped shaking the bottle. Soaps are still cute and a little fragrant (but trace was slow!)
     

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    With the cooler temps, I increased my lye concentration from 30% to 35%; it helped.
     

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