DeeAnna's Milk in Soap Information

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  1. Mar 15, 2019 #1

    Phlier

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    Heya everyone,

    Recently, I came across information on how to use milk in soap making that was written by @DeeAnna . It was great stuff, including information on how to figure out how much lye to add, etc.

    But alas... amongst my 100+ open browser tabs, I can no longer find it. I thought I'd book marked it, but noooooo... that would be too easy. And my Google-Fu has failed me as well.

    Along the way of trying to find DeeAnna's article, I stumbled across other pieces about using milk in soap, and how not to scorch it, etc, but no one had included the information in DeeAnna's article.

    I'm planning on using milk (and whey) in a shaving soap. Yes, I've read the shaving soap mega thread from post one all the way to the end. It took me two weeks.

    Since this is going to be hot processed at the temperatures required for stearic acid, I don't think there's going to be a way around scorching it, so I'm not really concerned about that. I'm more interested in figuring out the correct saponification numbers for the particular milk product(s) I use. I know that some soap calcs include limited dairy information... I need more than this, I need a way to figure it out for myself, as the numbers in the calc aren't inclusive enough.

    Anyone happen to have a link to that ever elusive article for me?

    Thank you so much!
     
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    Yeah, I love that page, but sadly the link to her milk information isn't there. :(
     
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    Found it! For anyone needing to determine saponification values from nutrition labels, including those on dairy products, it's right here.
     
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    I am baffled as to why you would want to include milk in your shaving soap? If it scorches (especially) it will probably always smell bad...
     
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    Yes, why include scorched milk in soap?
     
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    @SoaperForLife @Ladka This is one of those "you'd have to try it to believe it" situations.

    The majority of the most popular shaving soap artisans are now using at least one type of milk. Some artisans are using multiple milks.

    The face feel during the shave with a milk soap is exceeded only by the face feel *after* the shave.

    And no, they don't stink. :)

    I made my first batch with whole milk two days ago. It was hot processed (as most shaving soaps are due to the high stearic content), and I added the milk after saponification was complete (zap test passed). I let the soap cool down quite a bit, added the milk, and stick blended like crazy. The soap turned out fantastic.

    As mentioned, no stink at all.

    Wholly Kaw, Barrister & Mann, Grooming Dept are just three I can think of off the top of my head that use various milks. Wholly Kaw uses Water Buffalo and Donkey milk. It's one of the best shave soaps on the market right now.

    I must admit, I was rather surprised by your rather pointed negative replies. Hope this clears it up.
     
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    I still dont understand why the scorched milk?
     
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    From your initial post I understood you knew milk would get scorched. In your last post you explain you only add milk after cooling the batter.
     
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    After further research, I found out that some guys were doing it as I described in my most recent post.

    It’s not easy to time, though, as the melting point for the stearic is so high.
     
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    I’m sorry you still don’t understand. I explained it as well as I could. Guess you’ll just have to stay confused.
     
  12. Mar 24, 2019 at 6:08 AM #12

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    It’s not easy to time, though, as the melting point for the stearic is so high.

    Does the temperature of milk have to be the same as that of the batter or you use lower temp milk?
     
  13. Mar 24, 2019 at 10:19 AM #13

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    I stand by my belief that most, if not all, benefits that milk brings to the table are more perceived than in actuality as most milk is over 80 percent water with only a small (less than 4 in most cases) percentage of fat which can be easily be duplicated by upping the super fat of a recipe. Someday I would like to set up a table at a craft show with two bars of soap - one made with goat's milk and one without and see if anyone can actually tell the difference between the two.... bet no one will be able to.
     

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