does this sound ok? recipe
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Dixie
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Looks good to me. A hard bar with lots of conditioning and bubbles! My kind of bar
This is just my opinion so please take it for what its worth , but a 50% combo of coconut oil/palm kernel oil is a pretty high amount of cleansing/bubbly oils unless you also plan on superfatting it fairly high. I'm wondering if you meant to say 'palm' instead of 'palm kernel oil'?
IrishLass
, but a 50% combo of coconut oil/palm kernel oil is a pretty high amount of cleansing/bubbly oils unless you also plan on superfatting it fairly high. I'm wondering if you meant to say 'palm' instead of 'palm kernel oil'?IrishLass
Dixie
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Yes I should just keep my mouth shut. I didn't think about you NOT adding sf like crazy like I try to do
IrishLass is right
I think I've messed up with my sf'ing though because I have a bar that is 4 weeks old and is still soft LOL
IrishLass is right
I think I've messed up with my sf'ing though because I have a bar that is 4 weeks old and is still soft LOL
Irish
no i meant palm kernel, they sent me this instead of palm oil, how should i make a better recipe? more olive? the last time i used more olive it ddint get hard for a long time, help, i would like a good recipe, without crisco, i have palm k, coc, olive, shea, mango butter, cocoa, avacado butter.
no i meant palm kernel, they sent me this instead of palm oil, how should i make a better recipe? more olive? the last time i used more olive it ddint get hard for a long time, help, i would like a good recipe, without crisco, i have palm k, coc, olive, shea, mango butter, cocoa, avacado butter.
Honor- unfortunately Palm Oil is very different in character than Palm Kernel Oil. Their names are similar and they come from the same tree, but that's where the similarity ends.
Instead, PKO is very similar in character to Coconut Oil and they can both be substituted for each other. PKO contributes to bubbliness and cleansing in soap just like Coconut Oil does, but it's slightly more conditioning and slightly less bubbly than Coconut Oil.
Palm Oil is a completely different animal, or should I say vegetable. :wink: It's similar to beef tallow and lard in that it doesn't have a whole lot of cleansing or bubbly lather qualites like PKO and/or Coconut do, but it does lend a goodly amount of hardness and creamy lather to ones soap recipe.
If I had your oils on hand, the following is the kind of recipe I'd make. Other soapers may do something different, but I personally like the numbers I get in the fatty acid profile (what can I say- I'm soap prejudiced ). They are very close to my favorite numbers and will make a good, hard bar of soap with good bubbly/creamy lather:
Olive Oil 40%
Shea Butter 20%
Palm Kernel Oil 15%
Coconut Oil 14%
Avocado Butter 11%
I'd soap it at a 5% superfat with a 33% lye solution, and I'd also soap it warm (between 115 to 120 degreesF for the oil temp, and warm-to-the-touch for the lye), because shea has a high amount of stearic acid which tends to re-solidify in ones soaping pot if soaped too cool. At least that's been my experience when soaping high stearic oils/fats. Whenever I soap them warmer, though, in the temp range I mentioned, everything stays smooth instead of lumping or ricing up or tracing prematurely.
HTH!
IrishLass
Instead, PKO is very similar in character to Coconut Oil and they can both be substituted for each other. PKO contributes to bubbliness and cleansing in soap just like Coconut Oil does, but it's slightly more conditioning and slightly less bubbly than Coconut Oil.
Palm Oil is a completely different animal, or should I say vegetable. :wink: It's similar to beef tallow and lard in that it doesn't have a whole lot of cleansing or bubbly lather qualites like PKO and/or Coconut do, but it does lend a goodly amount of hardness and creamy lather to ones soap recipe.
If I had your oils on hand, the following is the kind of recipe I'd make. Other soapers may do something different, but I personally like the numbers I get in the fatty acid profile (what can I say- I'm soap prejudiced
). They are very close to my favorite numbers and will make a good, hard bar of soap with good bubbly/creamy lather:Olive Oil 40%
Shea Butter 20%
Palm Kernel Oil 15%
Coconut Oil 14%
Avocado Butter 11%
I'd soap it at a 5% superfat with a 33% lye solution, and I'd also soap it warm (between 115 to 120 degreesF for the oil temp, and warm-to-the-touch for the lye), because shea has a high amount of stearic acid which tends to re-solidify in ones soaping pot if soaped too cool. At least that's been my experience when soaping high stearic oils/fats. Whenever I soap them warmer, though, in the temp range I mentioned, everything stays smooth instead of lumping or ricing up or tracing prematurely.
HTH!
IrishLass
