I've seen organic stuff on Columbus Foods and Bramble Berry. If it costs more, charge more, that's what I think. I am trying to move toward organic ingredients myself.
You get smaller crops on organic farms. I don't know the exact stats, but you get many more bushels of products off 1 acre of conventional farmland than you do off 1 acre of organic farm land. Think *miracle grow*.Yes, Organic costs more...Hmmm...They aren't using chemicals so it should cost less to grow...
I wish it worked that way. Unfortunately, chemical sprays and fertilizers were invented and became popular because they are cheaper, easier and more effective than the labor and integrated management practices required to grow the same crops organically. Organic doesn't mean that the farmer just lets nature take it's course! We had a very bad experience with organic growing on our farm several years ago. In fact, it's the primary reason that we now have grass-fed cattle and sheep instead of boysenberries with a Smuckers/R.W.Knudsen Organics contract.Yes, Organic costs more...Hmmm...They aren't using chemicals so it should cost less to grow... :roll:
I'm just wondering, where is that coming from? I don't see any post that spurs that comment.Tabitha said:Please remember our number one rule here at the SMF.
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So maybe you should have left sufficient context to understand the action. Otherwise your comment makes no sense. Or maybe you should have just deleted the post with no comment.Tabitha said:Lovehound, that is because I have already deleted them :wink: . That is a mods job. To delete items that break the rules BEFORE the rest of the world gets to see them.
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I do not know the exact answer about the lye, but most label the product as "saponified (insert oil names)" and add "organic".gratia said:Back to the matter at hand, if you have to use lye in the product, does that mean that the final product is not organic, or cause the final product contains no actual lye, that is considered organic if all other product are organic?
The problem that you face is that there is no legal definition of 'organic' as applied to soap (AFAIK). You are probably aware that soap is not an edible product. Ask me how I know.gratia said:Back to the matter at hand, if you have to use lye in the product, does that mean that the final product is not organic, or cause the final product contains no actual lye, that is considered organic if all other product are organic?