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Old 11-14-2017, 03:46 PM   #21
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Here's the thing about the zap test... it's subjective. I prefer things with measurement and numbers upon which I can rely.
Here's a great blog post about zap-testing/pH testing by our resident chemist/soapmaker DeAnna: https://classicbells.com/soap/zapTest.html

Definitely worth a read.


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People have different pain tolerances, and people who have recently or routinely eat foods that are hot (temperature wise, not spicy) tend to have damaged nerve endings on their tongue, which would affect accuracy.

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Here's a great blog post about zap-testing/pH testing by our resident chemist/soapmaker DeAnna: https://classicbells.com/soap/zapTest.html

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I've read that blog
A PH meter is on my Christmas list!


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If you are not greatly opposed to using some Palm I would get this shortening from Walmart, if you have one nearby and use it at the rate of 45% GV Shortening/25% lard, 5% Castor oil and the remainder what soft oil you prefer. Otherwise go with Shunt's recipe, make it as soon as you can so it can age as long as possible. Although I am not an advocate of selling soap so soon, as long as your soap does not zap it will be fine with one of these recipes. Measure accurately and make your MIL happy!! Ph will not tell the whole story but a zap test will tell you if it is safe to use. Okay, if you have damaged never endings in your tongue try the zap test on the more sensitive side of your tongue. It is interesting you mention nerve damage from hot foods, I personally have not know anyone to do that and I live in a very high "hot food" area, being in So Cal
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I am going to go against the flow here...

My first 5-6 batches of soap turned out wonderfully. I still have some of the first shave soap I made as well.

If you research as much as you have alluded to, and take reasonable care to follow well established process, I do t see why you couldn't make good soap.

This isn't rocket science. (FWIW...I am a bona fide rocket scientist) it's soap.

My only suggestion is to be sure lye is your "limiting reagent". Here they call it superfat, which just guarantees all the lye is reacted.

FYI, I gave away most of my first batches. I can't stand waste and couldn't make more until I had room for it. So, I gave away a bunch of it. I am still legally sound. No one has died. Most have asked for more.

I stand ready for the ensuing onslaught of commentary about my unpopular opinion.
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I've read that blog
A PH meter is on my Christmas list!
You can't have. It says a pH meter is not necessary for making soap. The zap test is the industry standard and is all you need.

I have never zap tested or pH tested my soap.

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I think most of us err on the side of caution - we've seen too many disasters LOL. It's really nothing personal.

I agree that my first batches also went swimmingly. As long as your oils and lye are fresh and from reputable sellers, and you have a solid, well-loved recipe, you should be fine.
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I am going to go against the flow here...

My first 5-6 batches of soap turned out wonderfully. I still have some of the first shave soap I made as well.

If you research as much as you have alluded to, and take reasonable care to follow well established process, I do t see why you couldn't make good soap.

I stand ready for the ensuing onslaught of commentary about my unpopular opinion.
You must have missed my post #20.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:22 PM   #29
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Are all soap makers this pompous, or are you a special case?

I'm open to advice more comprehensive than "don't."
You asked for advice. Most people here will have the opinion "don't" for some very valid reasons.

If you don't know what the soap you are making will be like 6 months or more down the road, it isn't advisable to give it away. What if it develops dos? The timeframe doesn't allow for testing by anyone but you. Everyone's skin is different, I usually test new recipes with at least 15 people so I have a broader sense of how well it is or isn't liked. What about if it's soap, but just ok soap? I want people to use my soap and love it. If people don't really like it, it hurts all of us, especially those who sell, because it creates a bias against handmade soap.

If you insist on going ahead against everyone's advice, don't get fancy, don't try a complicated recipe.

50% lard, tallow or palm
20% coconut
25% olive
5% castor
5% superfat

Adding a couple tsp sugar ppo will give some extra oomph to bubbles. It is balanced, creates a hard bar and easy to work with.
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MP is not my style, but thank you for the suggestion!
I didn't suggest MP. I'm awful with MP for some bizzare reason.


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