What's wrong with Palm Oil?

[notapantsday]

I wouldn't say she's an idiot unless she feels superior for not using soap made from animal fat. But most vegans I know aren't like that and I doubt you'd call her a friend if she was.

My roommate's diet is at least 60% meat but he thinks washing yourself with something made from lard is disgusting. To each their own, or as we say in Germany: "there's no point arguing about taste". If someone is vegan and doesn't want to use animal fat for whatever personal reason, it's fine.

I just don't like the naivety of thinking that vegan is always the more responsible decision - it is in many cases, but this is one of the few exceptions. Nobody is "doing the right thing" by using vegan soap, but at the same time there's nothing wrong with it either. As long as you don't think you're superior to anyone else because you're using vegan soap, you're not an idiot.

 

[Susie]

Yes salicylates can transfer through your skin. See the first article below.

This is a good place to start:
http://scicurious.scientopia.org/2013/02/22/friday-weird-science-need-more-caffeine-rub-it-in/

Does not prove that salicylates can be absorbed through a wash off product.

http://www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/books-and-dvds.html
http://www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com/scientific-research-papers.html

This organization is one of the many out there that exist to propagate erroneous information. For example, the Guaifenesin Protocol has been proven ineffective by every reputable research organization studying fibromyalgia. Which is quite sad, actually, as this got up the hopes of many, many people.

http://www.thepaleomom.com/autoimmunity

The "doctor" there is a PhD, not an MD. And she has an agenda. She sells books and programs on her diet.

http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/salicylate-allergy

You could also ask your fibromyalgia specialist what he thinks about it.
I wish you the very best of luck with your health.
It is horrible not being 100% healthy.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry y'all are sensitive to salicylates. It truly does suck to not be well.

 

[penelopejane]

Does not prove that salicylates can be absorbed through a wash off product.

I am sorry y'all are sensitive to salicylates. It truly does suck to not be well.

HI Susie,

We'll have to agree to disagree and I mean that in the nicest way.
I will try not to ram my pov down people's throats.

I think that if people find something that works for them they should stick to it until it doesn't work anymore or until they find something better.

I don't know a lot about fibromyalgia but I know a lot about salicylates. But just because something works for me doesn't mean it works for others.
I can make myself sick using soaps and other wash off products that are high in salicylates. That's all the proof I need, along with the point of view of a number of practicing allergy specialists that I have spoken to. There are also a lot of transdermal medicines that go a long way towards justifying the thought process of transdermal delivery of chemicals in wash off products.

I believe that the body is an amazing thing that we have yet to really understand.

Good luck with your health.

 

[The Efficacious Gentleman]

What I would look for in someone who doesn't want palm on environmental grounds would be their other environmental concerns. Does one not buy Palm, but then get FOs shipped from one side of the USA to the other to save a few dollars?

A soaper who eats meat but doesn't use animal fats as it is "icky" is on a very unstable ground for reasoning. A non-soaper I can understand somewhat, but a soaper should know better that what goes in is not what comes out. Sodium lardate is not lard, in the same way that sodium citrate is not citric acid.

If someone chooses one soap and not an other, purely as a decision, that is one thing. When ideology comes in to it, then there should be some solid ideology. Like when anti capitalism protesters buy their masks on Amazon and the next day go to get their Starbucks fix.

 

[Susie]

HI Susie,

We'll have to agree to disagree and I mean that in the nicest way.
I will try not to ram my pov down people's throats.

I think that if people find something that works for them they should stick to it until it doesn't work anymore or until they find something better.

I don't know a lot about fibromyalgia but I know a lot about salicylates. But just because something works for me doesn't mean it works for others.
I can make myself sick using soaps and other wash off products that are high in salicylates. That's all the proof I need, along with the point of view of a number of practicing allergy specialists that I have spoken to. There are also a lot of transdermal medicines that go a long way towards justifying the thought process of transdermal delivery of chemicals in wash off products.

I believe that the body is an amazing thing that we have yet to really understand.

Good luck with your health.

We can, indeed, agree to disagree politely, and still be OK with one another. I am not being intentionally antagonistic. I may have come across that way, and if I did, I apologize.

I am an RN, and have worked palliative care, where we used lots of transdermal medications. They worked marvelously...once they absorbed. There is actually quite a long time (3-6 hours) before the meds actually start working. With the "caines" being the exception. Those molecules are small enough that they worked generally within the hour. In both cases, there is a certain oil that is used to carry the medications through the dermis. Either way, much longer than soap stays on the skin normally.

I am not arguing with your choosing to avoid salicylates. If it works for you and your family, then it works. I was really hoping that it would work for me, also. But I looked at the diet, and I would have to avoid many of the vegetables that make up our diet. I don't use palm, which is simply too expensive when I can use lard that I can buy locally.

 

[penelopejane]

Susie,
Dencorub is high in salicylates and works instantly. Peppermint and coffee in soap effect me and it's not just the scent. It burns through my skin and I get sick. I guess it's aided by the warm water opening the pores.

Palm oil is insidious in Australia. It is in just about every pre packaged food as it is cheap. It doesn't have to be labeled other than "vegetable oil". It's in biscuits, pastry, bread, chips, curry mixes etc - all the cheap, cheerful and easy stuff.

I know you are being helpful, as always, and I appreciate it.