Soy Wax in Calcs

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    We just discovered that avail SW is actually partially hydrogenated SO but not the kind in calcs. The SF should reflect this.
     
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    Not sure what you're saying, Dean ??? SoapCalc has three choices:

    Soy Oil.png

    1) (Liquid) Soybean Oil (Use in Liquid Soap)
    2) Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil (like Crisco)
    3) Fully Hydrogenated Soybean Oil (aka Soy Wax)

    HTH :)
     
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    None of those match 415 which most of us have been using. 415 is btwn SW and part hydro.
     
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    Does this help?
    SOY OIL
    Soybean Oil.png PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL (CRISCO)
    Partially Hdrog.png SOY WAX
    Partially Hdrog.png
     

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    None of those apply. 415 is some where btwn 100 hydro SO and Crisco. The SW we are using is not avail in the calcs.
     
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    Okay. Thanks. I'm obviously out of the loop here. :confused::p:D
     
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    Basically we've been using SW in the calcs for partially hydro SO. Our part hydro SO does not have the same props as the part hydro SO in the calcs. It doesn’t throw off the lye but it does thro off the properties. So my bars using 415 SW are not as hard as bars using 100 hydro SO.
     
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    Hmmm... comparing the value numbers, Partial vs Wax, it's the same hardness... weird. In any case, good luck to you! ;)
     
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    U posted partially hydro twice.

    Hardness...
    100% hydrogenated SO (SW) 98
    Partially hydrogenated SO 24
    415 SW 84
     
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    :oops: Oops! I checked it twice... my bad. o_O
     
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    Hi @Angie,

    I am writing to you becuase I saw that u responded to Artemis calc fx request.

    More soapers are using and becoming interested in SW. Can u add 415 Soy Wax to the SMF calc? It has diff properties than 100% hydrogenated SO or 27.5 hydrogenated SO that r not readily avail but are in the calcs. Here are the props and acids for 415 SW based on the spec sheet and my math.
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    I’m tagging @earlene, Queen Mother of SW and @KiwiMoose, sitting President of the (unofficial) International SW Soaping Club :D because they have participated in a recent discussion about this on another thread.

    Thx in advance for considering my request.
     
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    Thank you, Dean! That's a huge drawback to the SMF calculator and I had not even noticed. Thank you for pointing that out! Obviously I have not used it for any of my recipes containing soy wax, as they are already in Soapee. But if I can't use a a calculator for all the oils I normally soap with, I tend to drop that calculator altogether.
     
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    golden brands does not disclose the fatty acid break down of their soy waxes so you cannot add it to a lye calculator. It, however, is between 30-35% hydrogenated and is very close to the 27% partially hydrogenated soybean oil found in all lye calculators.
     
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    I am very sorry that I have somehow insulted you in some way. However, I am not spreading misinformation. A standard spec sheet for Golden Brands 415 shows 44% saturated fats. a soybean/fully hydrogenated soybean blend at a ratio of 70%/30% ratio (basically 27% hydrogenation) has a total saturated fat percent of 41.45.

    Additionally, if you look at 415 spec sheet, you will see that it is 39% trans fat. If you look at the following publication, you will see that the specs fit quite well in table 1. I am really unsure what to think if you want to call USDA research data misinformation...

    I really think that it is important to know the materials you are working with as that helps formulate more precisely and accurately. When you put this all together you actually can approximate a fatty acid make up for Golden Brands 415, which is what you originally were asking for.

    Please don't insult me again. It is mean.

    https://pubag.nal.usda.gov/pubag/downloadPDF.xhtml?id=13944&content=PDF

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...ffdd24c1cfc43e2125cea9bd1db799118b8c/figure/0
     
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    @Dean -- I have no idea what the problem is between you and Andrew, but I do know the way you're expressing yourself here is inappropriate. While I gather you feel you have a legitimate point to make, your language is out of line.

    And, for what it's worth, anyone can participate in any thread, yours or anyone else's, without an invitation. If you want to exclude someone, private messaging is available for that purpose.
     
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    Thread locked so we can get to the meat of the matter, and one of the participants has left.
     
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