Soap Irritating Face

Discussion in 'Lye-Based Soap Forum' started by gsc, Jan 7, 2016.

Help Support Soapmaking Forum by donating:

  1. Jan 7, 2016 #1

    gsc

    gsc

    gsc

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2014
    Messages:
    160
    Likes Received:
    8
    My grand kids likes using my homemade soap, however, it always breaks the skin out on there face. I usually SF at 7 but I was wondering if I SF higher, which would reduce the amount of lye if that would help. My cleansing number typically is around 22.
     
  2. Jan 7, 2016 #2

    lionprincess00

    lionprincess00

    lionprincess00

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2014
    Messages:
    1,672
    Likes Received:
    1,121
    Thats pretty high for me. I stay at 15 or less. Im betting your co is 25% or higher? Over 20% is kind of high for a vast majority of us. Some people can handle it, but if theyre rashing out I'm betting it's too cleansing. Could be allergies to ingredients also. So to troubleshoot we need exact measurements and all additives involved.
     
  3. Jan 7, 2016 #3

    cmzaha

    cmzaha

    cmzaha

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2011
    Messages:
    10,135
    Likes Received:
    8,641
    Location:
    Southern California
    For facial bars I keep my cleansing number at 10 or under and for women's body bars 10-13, men's soaps 14-15. For young children I sell a sls free m&p soap.
     
    Arimara likes this.
  4. Jan 7, 2016 #4

    Steve85569

    Steve85569

    Steve85569

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2015
    Messages:
    1,853
    Likes Received:
    1,978
    Location:
    North East Oregon, USA
    You could try plugging this in to soap calc...
    Lard 75%
    CO 15%
    OO 5%
    Castor 5%

    I keep the water to lye ration between 1.5 and 2 to 1 and SF at 7%. Makes for a mild soap that still cleans.

    Steve
     
  5. Jan 7, 2016 #5

    galaxyMLP

    galaxyMLP

    galaxyMLP

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,838
    Likes Received:
    1,336
    Location:
    Florida
    I wash my face with my "0" cleansing recipe or a castile. Still gets me clean but its gentle enough not to completely dry out my skin. I agree that its likely too high in cleansing.
     
  6. Jan 7, 2016 #6

    Soapmaker145

    Soapmaker145

    Soapmaker145

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2015
    Messages:
    537
    Likes Received:
    485
    Location:
    Midwest
    They may be reacting to specific oils or butters. My skin hates all sorts of butters. I can use them sparingly in soap. I've use up to 25% coconut oil in my soaps without any problems. I make a soap with hazelnut oil for a friend who had severe acne. It clears her skin up and reduces the redness.

    My suggestion is to look at the final composition of the soap and try to change the percentage of the various fatty acids to figure out what is causing the problem.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2016 #7

    DeeAnna

    DeeAnna

    DeeAnna

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    11,658
    Likes Received:
    15,648
    Location:
    Northeast Iowa, USA
    If your superfat is at 7% then the lye will be all used up by the time your soap is cured. It won't make any difference to the lye if you raise the superfat any higher.

    I'm inclined to agree with the others that your soap is too cleansing to the skin. The use of coconut oil in particular can be irritating to some people's skin. Don't know if you are using coconut oil, but I thought I'd throw that out. Some people also react to butters (sensitivity to shea butter seems to be common).

    A full recipe -- fats, lye, water, fragrance, and any other additives -- all in weights, not percents -- will get you better advice than talking in general like this.
     
  8. Jan 7, 2016 #8

    LittleCrazyWolf

    LittleCrazyWolf

    LittleCrazyWolf

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    192
    Likes Received:
    142
    Location:
    East Coast
    I think your coconut oil % is too high if it is irritating their skin. I have dry skin and anything over 15% coconut oil will make my skin feel dry, tight, and itchy. My face is really sensitive so I don't use any coconut oil in my facial bar. I think lowering the coconut oil would do more for you than increasing the SF. Soap with a cleansing value of 0 (in SoapCalc) will still clean.
     
  9. Jan 8, 2016 #9

    Saponista

    Saponista

    Saponista

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,116
    Likes Received:
    1,314
    Location:
    Plymouth, Devon, UK
    If they are breaking out, all the excess oil from the superfat could also be clogging their pores so it may pay to try something a bit lower.
     
  10. Jan 8, 2016 #10

    Seawolfe

    Seawolfe

    Seawolfe

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,271
    Likes Received:
    2,977
    Location:
    So Cal
    What is your recipe? There are all sorts of potential irritants. Some people are sensitive to coconut oil, some to mango butter (I have read that people with latex allergies can react to mango butter), some to certain EOs or FOs - like clove or cinnamon are known irritants, some react to colors like some reds. Do you use water or some other liquid? Glitter on the soap? Nut oils?

    And yes, cleansing numbers don't seem that important unless you've got cable grease on your hands or something.... A cleansing number of zero cleans my face just fine.
     
  11. Jan 8, 2016 #11

    Arimara

    Arimara

    Arimara

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2015
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    1,542
    The lye amount is not the problem. The skin on our faces are generally more sensitive than our bodies and a 22 cleansing soap is bound to cause some problems with only a 7% superfat. You may want to bump up the superfat or lower the cleansing levels. I think you'd have less of an adventure by lowering your cleansing levels.
     
  12. Jan 8, 2016 #12

    seven

    seven

    seven

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2013
    Messages:
    2,672
    Likes Received:
    1,409
    What DeeAnna said. I also can't stand saponified coconut on my face. Salt bars are exception, dunno why. I leave out coconut for my facial soaps.
     
  13. Jan 8, 2016 #13

    Susie

    Susie

    Susie

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    9,373
    Likes Received:
    8,605
    Location:
    Texas
    Please define if they are breaking out in a rash or pimples. Each has it's own causes. What the answer for one is, is not the answer for the other.
     
  14. Jan 8, 2016 #14

    shunt2011

    shunt2011

    shunt2011

    Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    13,606
    Likes Received:
    7,889
    Location:
    Michigan
    I too choose not to use CO in my facial soap but I love my salt bars. I alternate them for my face as I'm getting old and my skin is a bit drier as I get older.
     

Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page