Ok this is gonna be one long reply lol No worries But I've noted what you said about SB and hand mixing for future soaps. Thank you. I wanna see! Hehehe.. I don't mind ash either. I had a black n white with green soap that had it and I liked how it seemed to emphasize the grooves of the swirls. I just wonder, is all I started with using % of oils, then learned about lye ratio early on and have used that since. I have been experimenting with less water, mainly in my HP soaps, to see if it helps minimize warping. I have a badly warped soap that's now cured only 6mos and I wanted to see if not having that much water to lose might help. I figure, more or less water, if at the end I still get soap, what's the harm in trying less. So far it has worked fine in most, but I think HP is a lil more forgiving and it's easier to fix mistakes, like throwing a lil extra water if it doesn't look like it wants to gel for example. No problem hehe I like stories from old timers Now that's something to think about. This batch did not have RBO though, but I should recheck the other ones and see if I can find a difference. Probably not, as I wouldn't have a control sample, but still, it's one thing to observe in the future. I unmolded after about 8hrs. I forgot to line the plastic mold and wanted to see if it stuck but it popped right off when I turned it over. I left it for another 5hrs or so before cutting. It was firmer than cheese then though.. Next try I'll leave it longer in the mold and longer to cut. It's summer now and always hot, and previous CPs I made did gel (I think) on their own, but you're right, maybe not this one. I didn't scent this soap because, after 2 prior failed attempts I did not want to waste EOs in case this failed too. In a way it did so good call I think lol. I don't have FOs. The crumbles that fell off however, when touched, crumbled even further to a coarse powder. Never had the before.