Rosebud and Minted Rose

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  1. Dec 29, 2014 #1

    LBussy

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    My wife is in love with a couple of products from "Rosebud Perfume Company." These are:

    • Smith's Rosebud Salve
    • Smith's Minted Rose Lip Balm

    Here are some product pics:

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    I just realized my "product pics" don't include the actual product ... I'll try to get a couple of those. Anyway ... the tins are extremely unhelpful. Despite being a requirement to list the ingredients in order of predominance for any cosmetic or drug (as these contain claims of benefits they certainly fall into one of those categories) they do not. I know there is an exception for trade secrets and they use that for the scent, but the rest of the ingredients?

    If one were to believe the tin for the lip balm for instance, it lists petrolatum, peppermint oil and cottonseed oil. Does that order make any sense? It is soft-ish so a petroleum jelly base makes sense. Is it possible that this "patented amazing cure!" is just Vaseline, some EO/FO's and a carrier oil (cottonseed oil)?
     
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    From the ingredient list I think you hit it spot on. I don't like vaseline so would pass on that.
     
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    I would use lanolin instead of petroleum jelly.
     
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    Well that would make it easier really ... easier to get away from it. If I can reproduce it in the existing formulation I can "enhance" it by getting away from petrolatum. Have to show her I "got it" first before changing it. All part of the smoke and mirrors. :)

    This is a longshot since you probably have never smelled it - but any recommendations for a starting place for the fragrance? I have read for instance that "rose oil" may be produced by:
    • Steam Distillation (Rose Otto)
    • Solvent Extraction (Rose Absolute)
    • CO2 Extraction

    I'd guess that distillation would be preferable? Then there's two main types of rose:
    • Rosa Damascena
    • Rosa Centifola

    Any preferences there?

    And then there's suppliers? Percentages of the EO to use as a starting point?
     
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    Great idea ... need to reproduce the original first though. She loves a shea/lanolin thing I make for her now. If I can reproduce this as the original and then propose merging the two, she'd love me forever! :razz:
     
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    Sorry, can't help you on the scent....I don't use a lot of EO's but I'm sure someone who does will pop in. You'll have to let us know how it works out for you....curious now
     
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    I like your ideas for fragrance too, and I also like geranium eo, it's so close to rose. Just a thought.
     
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    I have used rosebud salve. .. And yes, it is basically just Vaseline. If I were trying to re create the scent/flavor I'd go with geranium EO it's very rosy for much less cost than rose absolute. I would guess that rosebud salve has actual rose absolute in it.
     
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    I have Geranium. I can try it I guess and see what she thinks. Any tips on %ages?
     
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    Thanks IrishLass. Have you used that one? Looking for any guidelines on percentages.

    The price is sure right ... I suspect it's a blend of a lot of things not rose considering the price of real rose oil. :)
     
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    Sorta after the fact here, but the phrase "patented amazing cure!", may be a play on the original patent of Vaseline. I just watched a show Sat about the inventions/discovery's. The guy that discovered and patented Vaseline, Chesebrough, patented it as a "amazing" cure for cuts and burns. Think they're just reprinting his words, due to the fact they're using Vaseline as the main ingredient.

    On the Texas Natural product. I haven't used that one, but I buy a lot of stuff from them. Mainly because they carry high quality products. It could be a blend, as you say, but I've never bought a Fragrance from them that didn't smell like it was advertised.
     
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    I'd run it through a fragrance calculator, I use Brambleberry's a lot to get an idea of percentage. Last time I bought geranium eo I got it from WSP and they list their usage rates right on the website. For a leave on product like that I suppose I would use the rate for lotion or salve?
     
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    Thanks, I'll try that. Aside from some basic unscented stuff, this will be my first foray into B&B things.
     
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    Terribly sorry, Lee, I never got back to you. Nope- I've not used that one, but I have my eye on it to buy.

    I've used a rose flavor oil from SweetCakes before, but it faded to nothing in my balms. I'm hoping that this one will work much better for me.

    As for usage rate, it looks like you can use it at a max of 3% of your balm formula.

    I have a Passionfruit Rose flavor oil from Brambleberry which is excellent and holds up very well, but it doesn't sound like you're looking to have a bit of fruit with your rose. lol


    IrishLass :)
     
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    I'm with shunt and lsg, not a fan of petroleum jelly. Would prefer a mix of beeswax and lanolin for a salve base.
     
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    My MIL loves this stuff. I've used it before but got turned off after reading the ingredient list and realizing it was just colored/scented vaseline!

    I'm sure you can whip up something even better without using any petroleum products. Can't really offer any suggestions on the rose oil but can tell you there's a huge quality difference between the CO2 extracted ginger root EO vs steam distilled. The CO2 version costs more but smells just like freshly minced ginger where the steam version smells more like musty socks.
     
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    Well I picked some up so I'll let you know.

    I've used a rose flavor oil from SweetCakes before, but it faded to nothing in my balms. I'm hoping that this one will work much better for me.

    I'm not either, but there's a certain amount of truth to the adage you have to learn to copy before you can learn to create. I think the addition of the cottonseed oil changes the consistency just a touch. If I can make one exactly like it, I can suggest we change one thing, she trys it, etc.. That's why I want to get the fragrance close as well.

    Interesting, I'll keep that in mind. There is of course a premium for the CO2 stuff but if I find I don't like the steam distilled I have an option.
     
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