Red Sandalwood Powder (Pterocarpus santalinus)

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    Red Sandalwood Powder (Pterocarpus santalinus) ~ 03/02/09

    The first time I tried Red Sandalwood Powder in soap, I got some bad information -- “1 teaspoon of per pound of soap added at light trace” -- since I was making an 8 pound batch, I used 8 teaspoons and my soap came out black and had the texture of coarse sandpaper! YIKES! I had some time this weekend, so I gave it another go. This time I used the guidelines from Emporium Naturals and it came out much better!
    For 90 ounces of oils I used 2 teaspoons -- half in my water portion; half in my oils portion.
    I boiled the water, added 1 tsp powder, 4 tsp. Borax, boiled for 15 minutes then allowed it to cool for 3 hours. I heated my oils/fats/butters to 165°F, added 1 tsp. powder, then allowed that to cool as well.
    Then I made soap, poured into the mold, insulated overnight, unmolded and cut the next morning.

    Result: Pretty pink bars with reddish brown “freckles”. Sweet!
     
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    Yes it looks more orange than red - at least the sandalwood powder I have used in the past.
     
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    This timber species (Pterocarpus santalinus) is one of the "false sandalwoods" and one common name for it is Red Sanders.
    Red Sanders is part of the Pea (Fabaceae) family, and has fine red timber that is used for making furniture, musical instruments and ornaments.
    The tree is in decline in it's native India (demand for this beautiful wood is outstripping supply).

    Red Sanders, in the Pea (Fabaceae) family, is not the same as the aromatic (or "true) sandalwoods.
    True sandalwoods, in the Sandalwood (Santalaceae) family, have native varieties in a number of countries, including Australian (Santalum spicatum) and India (Santalum album).
    Trivia: The Australian Quondong is in the Sandalwood (Santalaceae) family (Santalum acuminatum)

    True (aromatic) sandalwood is more orange/tan than red, and is highly aromatic where Red Sanders is red coloured but without the intense aroma.


    Near endangered classification:
    https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/32104/67803072

    Article on 2018 reclassification to "near engangered" and discussion on illegally harvesting, and continued population decline, of the tree:
    https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/wildlife-biodiversity/red-sanders-not-endangered-anymore-61155
     
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    That explains why mine wasn't orange at all. I haven't had the time to research it. The powder I used is a nice, deep red not very different from the madder root I have actually.

    Could also be why it was dirt cheap, coz the aromatic sandalwood isn't - but this sandalwood, and also the true one, has apparently many skin benefits when used directly like in masks.

    I wonder if it tints your skin reddish like how turmeric tints it yellowish lol

    @Zany_in_CO what was the borax for?
     
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    That’s interesting. When I use red sandalwood my soaps turn a purple light lavender shade.
     
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    @Grere, just bear in mind that Australian grown sandalwood (as it is listed in your link) is Sandalwood, not Red Sanders.

    Where did you source the powder from (out of curiosity?).
    (Dye's from this family tend to be both oxygen and pH dependent. There is also variation in the colour of the heartwood of Red Sanders, so purple isn't impossible.)

    If the powder has come from China, instead of India, there is also a chance that it comes from a related (still pea family) plant (Dalbergia), which is used for the same purposes and has a similar coloured wood.

    Trivia: Indigo is also part of the pea family.

    I reckon it would! (Only one way to find out ;) ... please take a photo :D)
     
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    Shoot I forgot to post! From my supplier it is from India - Pterocarpus soyauxii and it is a rusty red powder before soaping and then after I soap. Here is in the pot and after the cut. I’ve researched that it is pH dependent. So fascinating!
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    I buy it from a shop on Etsy - Raven Moon Emporium. I think it’s just lovely. I’ve mixed it with an alkanet infusion as well and got a deeper purple and also indigo and got another purple variation.
     
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    Probably water softener. There's nothing in my notes about why I used it. 2009 was a long time ago. :confused:
     
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