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Hey, everyone!!
I was wondering if anyone make shampoo and conditioner? This is something that I'm hitting a wall with like everytime. I've made liquid soap but how do I go about making shampoo?? Conditioner?? What do I add to make it gentle on your scalp? My hair is very brittle right because of the conditioner I use. So, I need to make something that add to my hair or get a good idea?


Anyone, with information please help☹.
 

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Shampoos and conditioners are not like soap, which is alkaline. They are closer to being pH balanced, especially for hair. The best ones for hair in general are made with surfactants, emulsifiers, emoliants, and humectants. Since there is more science involved, your best guide would be found at Susan's blog here which houses a lot of information that can better help you.
 

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Hey, everyone!!
I was wondering if anyone make shampoo and conditioner? This is something that I'm hitting a wall with like everytime. I've made liquid soap but how do I go about making shampoo?? Conditioner?? What do I add to make it gentle on your scalp? My hair is very brittle right because of the conditioner I use. So, I need to make something that add to my hair or get a good idea?


Anyone, with information please help☹.
Do you realize hair conditioner is basically a lotion? You will need to read about preserving and making lotions in order to make hair conditioners. There are some very good commercial conditioners available.

My question is why is your hair brittle? Is it a health problem, medications, are you using soap to wash it, or hair product damage, sun damage, wind damage etc.? When I would have customers with damaged I would try to get to the bottom of the issue, many times it was medications and there was nothing we could do but regular hair cut. You have to remember hair is dead and damaged hair cannot be fixed only cut off and regrown. Hair conditioners will coat and smooth the hair shaft but will NOT fix damage no matter what ads tell you.

What the vitamins help nourish is the scalp root hair, follicles not the dead ends. So conditioners do have a purpose they just do not fix dead hair.
 
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Check out Humblebee and Me- Marie's recipes for liquid and solid shampoos and conditioners are a great starting point. Bear in mind that it might take a lot of experimentation with different formulations to find one that your hair likes. Basic formulations available online may not work for problematic hair and ones with lots of "goodies" (hydrolysed proteins, silicones, plant extracts, vitamins, exotic oils etc) can be expensive to make. I'm not trying to discourage you, just letting you know. Why do you think your current conditioner is making your hair brittle?
 

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Do you realize hair conditioner is basically a lotion? You will need to read about preserving and making lotions in order to make hair conditioners. There are some very good commercial conditioners available.

My question is why is your hair brittle? Is it a health problem, medications, are you using soap to wash it, or hair product damage, sun damage, wind damage etc.? When I would have customers with damaged I would try to get to the bottom of the issue, many times it was medications and there was nothing we could do but regular hair cut. You have to remember hair is dead and damaged hair cannot be fixed only cut off and regrown. Hair conditioners will coat and smooth the hair shaft but will NOT fix damage no matter what ads tell you.

What the vitamins help nourish is the scalp root hair, follicles not the dead ends. So conditioners do have a purpose they just do not fix dead hair.
Yes, I am aware but I already cut hair off about a few months ago because I used a shampoo and conditioner that literally made my hair brittle, dry and was falling out. I try to stay away from a lot product because they damage my hair within the first use. Making shampoo and conditioner is not just for my but it for my whole family. I know its alot of work but I dont mind. There is a lot of information on solid but not so much on liquid.
 

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I make shampoo using surfactants and have made conditioners. The Herbarie has some good recipes.
 

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Yes, I am aware but I already cut hair off about a few months ago because I used a shampoo and conditioner that literally made my hair brittle, dry and was falling out. I try to stay away from a lot product because they damage my hair within the first use. Making shampoo and conditioner is not just for my but it for my whole family. I know its alot of work but I dont mind. There is a lot of information on solid but not so much on liquid.
I will stick to what I originally said, it sounds more medical than a shampoo or conditioner problem. Even extreme stress can affect hair almost overnight. When I was going through a couple of years of extreme family stress my hair became a mess, you would have thought I was on chemo treatments, it has taken over a year to improve, although it is not even close to what it was. Very seldom falling out hair is caused by external products other than chemical damage such as hair bleaching, perm solutions, curling irons, etc. Have you consulted a Dermatologist, if not I would highly recommend it.
 

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I was wondering if anyone make shampoo and conditioner? ... My hair is very brittle right because of the conditioner I use.
The subject of lye-based shampoo vs. Syn-Dets (Synthetic/Detergent) shampoo has been discussed many times. Search "Shampoo" for more information.

I have been using lye-based shampoo, bars & liquid, since 2004. I rarely use conditioner because I don't need it but here is a recipe I've made and used in the past:
ZANY'S HAIR CONDITIONER WITH LEMON

Since your hair is brittle now, I would highly recommend cleansing your hair and scalp with Polysorbate 80. It's very mild and you will be amazed at how soft and shiny your hair is once all the product has been removed. When applying, pay special attention to the scalp.

When it comes to making Liquid Soap as Shampoo, there is no "One-Size-Fits-All". You can use the LS you've already made. The key is to rinse thoroughly with cool water until it is as cold as you can stand it to close the hair shaft, then use an Apple Cider Vinegar Rinse to restore the acid balance of the scalp.

There is good information on this site to learn about the different oils that are beneficial for different types of hair. With that information you can then formulate a recipe, hard bar or LS, that works well for your hair.

HTH and Good Luck! :)
 

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Hey, everyone!!
I was wondering if anyone make shampoo and conditioner? This is something that I'm hitting a wall with like everytime. I've made liquid soap but how do I go about making shampoo?? Conditioner?? What do I add to make it gentle on your scalp? My hair is very brittle right because of the conditioner I use. So, I need to make something that add to my hair or get a good idea?


Anyone, with information please help☹.
It is very possible that your hair has become very brittle from OVER shampooing and conditioning it. I know this sounds weird, but if I shampoo/condition my hair more than twice a month it gets extremely brittle and breaks or falls out. My hair actually does better being shampooed/conditioned once monthly, especially in winter. Yes, in summer I do need to shampoo more often, but I do not condition every time. I also use serum in the summer on my hair that is made with Quinoa and Caffeine that also really helps when I have to wash it on a more frequent basis.
 

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It is very possible that your hair has become very brittle from OVER shampooing and conditioning it. I know this sounds weird, but if I shampoo/condition my hair more than twice a month it gets extremely brittle and breaks or falls out. My hair actually does better being shampooed/conditioned once monthly, especially in winter. Yes, in summer I do need to shampoo more often, but I do not condition every time. I also use serum in the summer on my hair that is made with Quinoa and Caffeine that also really helps when I have to wash it on a more frequent basis.
Yes, I usually don't use shampoo but I tried something new and within a week my hair was dry. I just went back to what I was using. Hopefully, it get back to normal but I'm still figuring out how to make hair product.
 

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does adding citric acid to rebatched cp soap make the ph ok for shampoo?
 

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Just to clarify, are you looking to make soap and use it as shampoo? Or are you looking to jump into synthetic detergents? It's kinda two different universes. My two cents it that if your hair is already damaged, the alkalinity of soap might not be your friend, but some people's hair seems ok with it, so maybe you'll be fine
 

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does adding citric acid to rebatched cp soap make the ph ok for shampoo?
It will adjust a little bit. The average pH of liquid soaps is around 9.5 pH or so.
Too much citric acid will cause the fats to separate out and make a mess of your liquid soap.

Some hair care people recommend using a conditioner after shampooing with a liquid "castile-type" soap.

I use a Castile Orange oil scented liquid soap, which I made, and have no issues. I have oily hair and I know that this soap really cleans my hair exceptionally well.
 

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I have been making a shampoo bar...I rebatch and add the citric acid...I haven't noticed any problems but don't want any down the road
 
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