I joined here at SMF after reading many posts that gave me the impression that this was a supportive group, with kindness and gentleness valued. Not coddling, necessarily, but it felt to me as though the members posting (in the threads I read before I joined) did so with respect and thoughtful consideration. Before joining SMF posts came up a lot in my Google searches for answers to soaping questions and I always found the results to be beneficial in my soapmaking adventures. So eventually I decided it would be to my benefit to join this forum. It wasn't until I'd been here awhile that I saw some of what some of you have identified here regarding less-than-kind-and-caring attitudes. It happened to me once and I had some personal difficulty with it, in so far as to attempt to delete a couple of my posts and remove some of my photos (which I was actually unable to do as completely as I had hoped.) It was hurtful and personally distressing to me that I was treated in the way that I was. But I also have a bit of background learning to accept that sometimes others just don't treat me as kindly as I feel that I should be treated and sometimes someone just plain doesn't like me and I have learned to accept that there is sometimes nothing I can do to change that person's feelings about me, so I have to accept it for what it is and move on. Sometimes that means breaking ties with the person in particular, but sometimes it means adjusting by interacting differently with that person so I can continue in the activity (be it a job, an organizational membership, or whatever) that I want to continue to remain in actively. There are always variables when it comes to making a decision about how to deal with someone I find 'difficult' to get along with, and sometimes it works out and we do get along. Sometimes we don't. I have been an admin member of an online forum and understand how difficult the group dynamics can be in an online group such as this. The group dynamics can be extremely difficult to handle for the admin group, as well as for the rest of the membership. I do not envy the admin group here their job when it comes to dealing with 'issues' such as this, that come up. It is difficult sometimes to know where to the draw the line regarding when to foster open discussion and when to shut it down. Whenever it happens, there are always some members who feel as though they are not being heard, or not being heard correctly according to their intent, and there are members who believe the mods aren't doing their job (as perceived by the members in question), and members who leave because they hate controversy, and members who love controversy and want to stir things up. Sadly the latter does happen. That's when the mods have to intervene and I am sure we don't even know what goes on behind the scenes between the mods in discussions about these issues. Anyway, I really felt that the OP did have intentions to improve the soap. Of all 6 posts made by this OP, all were about asking for help on how to improve the quality of their soap or to expand on the same. In spite of some responses that seemed maybe overkill, the OP still said they would make many of the suggested changes. Perhaps the 'I don't care if it's illegal' statement was a bit over-the-top as well, and yes, it was unfortunate. But I agree that the group dynamic of bullying did play a part in this thread. I feel badly for the OP, and anyone else who doesn't want to participate as a result of some of these types of interactions.