is CP and CPOP comparable ?

Discussion in 'Beginners Soap Making Forum' started by Emmanuel, Jan 16, 2020.

Help Support Soapmaking Forum by donating:

  1. Jan 16, 2020 #1

    Emmanuel

    Emmanuel

    Emmanuel

    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2020
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    21
    Location:
    France
    Hello evryone
    I'm doing quite a lot of tests to find a good formula with a good lather without too much foreign oils and as you can imagine it's not easy.
    So to save some time I use a lot of CPOP. Basically I pour my soap into mold, cover them and put them into a 50°C oven for 24h then unmold them and let them dry at 50°C another 24h. After that I generally have a good bar of soap that is usable right away.
    I also tested to let my soap cure for long period of time and it get whiter and harder. However it did not have any notable effect on lather.
    From what I know of soap chemistry, there is no reason that a CPOP soap will be very different from a CP soap in terms of lather. But maybe I'm wrong ? Hence my question.

    Have a nice day !
     
  2. Jan 16, 2020 #2

    TheGecko

    TheGecko

    TheGecko

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2019
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    513
    Location:
    Oregon
    I am currently doing CPOP right now because it's cold here and my soap won't gel elsewise***. That's all the OP does...speeds up and/or causes gel. Elsewise it has no other effect on your soap...it won't make it lather more, it won't speed up the saponification process, it won't speed up cure time.

    *** - Yes I know I can use a heating pad, but my husband is greatly opposed to it and given how supportive he is (finding soap in the oven and soap in the frig, not mention all the soap in the garage), I see no reason to fight him on this.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2020
    Nona'sFarm and Ladka like this.
  3. Jan 16, 2020 #3

    shunt2011

    shunt2011

    shunt2011

    Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    13,631
    Likes Received:
    7,902
    Location:
    Michigan
    It's basically the same thing. I've never had a lot of luck with CPOP so I just insulate my soaps really well and get full gel. Any soap can be used once saponification is complete, however, it needs 4-6 weeks maybe longer depending on the recipe to be at it's best. Lather improves, it becomes harder, a bit more gentle etc.....there's structural changes going on.
     
  4. Jan 16, 2020 #4

    Arimara

    Arimara

    Arimara

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2015
    Messages:
    2,463
    Likes Received:
    1,544
    Gel is just the sped up process of saponification for CP soaps. That does not mean you soap is ready to use- curing still needs to happen. Curing is a chemical process that can take as little as 4 weeks depending on your soap's recipe. You can't speed that up or do anything to encourage it- it just is.
     
    Ladka likes this.
  5. Jan 16, 2020 #5

    jcandleattic

    jcandleattic

    jcandleattic

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2008
    Messages:
    3,468
    Likes Received:
    2,667
    Location:
    Stuck in my head
    Once saponification is complete, and there is no zap, the soap is perfectly safe to use.
    However, it will not be at its best until a proper cure is in place.
    You are correct that forcing gel via CPOP can speed saponification, but you can use the soap once that is done. Not sure why anyone would want though, because you are also correct in you cannot speed cure.
     
  6. Jan 17, 2020 #6

    CatahoulaBubble

    CatahoulaBubble

    CatahoulaBubble

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2019
    Messages:
    128
    Likes Received:
    183
    Location:
    Seattle. WA USA
    It's pretty much the same thing. The CPOP just ensures the soap goes through gel whereas without the oven it just depends on how hot your soap heats up either covered or uncovered. I don't gel all of my soap because I don't generally care if they gel. Some of them I will CPOP because I want to make sure the soap gels for certain color pops.
     
  7. Jan 17, 2020 #7

    szaza

    szaza

    szaza

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2018
    Messages:
    629
    Likes Received:
    913
    Location:
    Belgium
    Steve85569 likes this.
  8. Jan 17, 2020 #8

    Arimara

    Arimara

    Arimara

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2015
    Messages:
    2,463
    Likes Received:
    1,544
    True true. Thanks for clarifying. I was lucky that came out as clear as it did with no other errors.
     
  9. Jan 17, 2020 #9

    Steve85569

    Steve85569

    Steve85569

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2015
    Messages:
    1,852
    Likes Received:
    1,978
    Location:
    North East Oregon, USA
    Wine and soap CAN be used once the process is complete. ( fermentation or saponification)
    Both are much better after a proper cure.
    Good wine and good soap improve with age.
     
    TheGecko and Ladka like this.
  10. Jan 18, 2020 #10

    TheGecko

    TheGecko

    TheGecko

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2019
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    513
    Location:
    Oregon
    I liken soap making to making whiskey. Do you want moonshine or a nicely aged sipping whiskey?
     
    Steve85569 likes this.

Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page

Group Builder