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Shaylyn Valdez

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I’ve seen many say that you should have your lye and oils within 10 degrees of each other, but I want to know why? I usually soap at a higher temp so I don’t have to worry about my hard oils cooling down.

What are the benefits of soaping at different temperatures? And why should you not soap too high? Can you add freshly made lye solution to just melted oils? Or is that too big of a difference in temps?
 
I’ve seen many say that you should have your lye and oils within 10 degrees of each other, but I want to know why?...

This gets asked a lot by new soap makers. Short answer -- it's a myth. It doesn't really matter as long as the fats or lye solution aren't ridiculously hot -- you want both to be comfortably below the boiling point of water. If you want to soap that hot, and some people do especially with some hot process methods, there are some safety considerations to keep in mind. But that's a story for another day.

There are about as many ways to combine oils and lye as there are soap makers, so here are other threads that provide more info. If you want more, search SMF for "temperature lye oils" and you'll see more hits.

https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/newbie-lye-temperature-reccomendations.61099/
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/lye-mix-and-oils-temperature-does-it-really-matter.65785/

https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/oil-lye-mixture-temperature.48838/
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/combining-lye-and-oils-immediately.45313/
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/lye-question.22084/
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/temperatures-for-oil-and-lye.31693/
 
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This gets asked a lot by new soap makers. Short answer -- it's a myth. It doesn't really matter as long as the fats or lye solution aren't ridiculously hot -- you want both to be comfortably below the boiling point of water. If you want to soap that hot, and some people do especially with some hot process methods, there are some safety considerations to keep in mind. But that's a story for another day.

There are about as many ways to combine oils and lye as there are soap makers, so here are other threads that provide more info. If you want more, search SMF for "temperature lye oils" and you'll see more hits.

https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/newbie-lye-temperature-reccomendations.61099/
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/lye-mix-and-oils-temperature-does-it-really-matter.65785/

https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/oil-lye-mixture-temperature.48838/
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/combining-lye-and-oils-immediately.45313/
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/lye-question.22084/
https://www.soapmakingforum.com/threads/temperatures-for-oil-and-lye.31693/
Thank you! Always super helpful!
 
Sometimes a teacher will simplify a process into "black and white" steps to make it easier for new people to learn the essential lesson. Hopefully the teacher introduces the shades of gray as students become more competent, but that doesn't always happen, depending on the way the information is presented (for example, a book or video vs a hands-on class) and the ability of the student and competence of the instructor.

IMO, the "close to the same temp" rule feels to me like a "black and white" rule created for first time soapers that never got expanded into the "shades of gray" version for more experienced soap makers.

It's not the temps of the lye solution or the fats that is important. It's the temp of the soap batter at the start of soap making. If the ingredient temps are within 10 degrees of the target temp, the soap batter temp will be close to that target temp too. That's the beginner rule -- easy, straightforward. A soaper can stick with this forever if that's what makes them comfortable.

I have never learned this rule, but if I had, I would have quickly found this rule to be limiting and tedious. If I want to shoot for a particular soap batter temp, I can balance warm fats with cool lye solution or vice versa to get close to my target. The temp difference between the fats and lye might be 30 or 40 degrees, rather than 10, but that makes no matter.

The shade of gray is there is more fat than lye in a batch of soap. The soap batter temp is always going to be more like the fat temp than the lye temp. If my fats are a bit warmer than my target temp, my lye will need to be quite a bit cooler so my batter hits the target temp. Or vice versa.

This is a lot of complexity to throw at a first time soap maker, but it's certainly something a person can learn after a batch or two.
 
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I’ve seen many say that you should have your lye and oils within 10 degrees of each other, but I want to know why? I usually soap at a higher temp so I don’t have to worry about my hard oils cooling down.

I agree with @DeeAnna that it is a matter of keeping things simple for beginning soapers. I took a beginning soap class about six years ago and we were taught that a) all oils should be mixed and heated together, b) the optimal soaping temperature was 110F , c) soap should be poured at medium trace, and d) you needed to wrap your mold and keep it warm for 48 hours or it won’t hardened properly.

What are the benefits of soaping at different temperatures? And why should you not soap too high? Can you add freshly made lye solution to just melted oils? Or is that too big of a difference in temps?

IMHO, soaping temperature is a matter of personal preference. I personally wouldn’t want to handle boiling soap batter.

Yes, you can add freshly made lye solution directly to your hard oils to melt them (heat transference method) and then add your soft oils.

I soap around 70-75F and I use fresh lye made with frozen distilled water (ice cubes) in an ice bath (regular ice cubes, a bit of water, and salt and a larger bowl). I will soap at higher temps if I’m making a single color, but I still use frozen distilled water (sans ice bath) because it keeps the fumes down.
 

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