dixiedragon
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I got a box of glassine bags from my local restaurant supply store. I'm wondering if I can put my fresh-cut soap directly in these bags to let them cure? I have pets and keeping pet hair off the soap is a challenge!
...If you seal the bars in bags, you absolutely will have rancid soap, probably within a few weeks. Sealed fresh bar soap is also one of the few ways to get moldy soap.
For a while, I was sticking a bar from every batch in a medium sized cardboard box for long-term storage, spaced out within the box. I realized they each got DOS in around 3 weeks, compared to their open-air batch-mates which have none. All was kept in air-conditioned comfort. 3 different recipes, no food, back when I was using citric acid as the chelator with appropriate lye- I ceased the experiment before the 4th soap showed any signs. The box now holds my growing FO collection. I briefly experimented with putting a bar per soap box, for a few older bars, and also saw DOS, their open-air batch-mates still showing none. My interest in testing the experiment with Sodium Gluconate as the chelator is low.Are you speaking in such absolutes based on what "everybody assumes to be true"? Or have you actually tried this to learn for yourself whether the soap goes rancid or gets moldy?
Honestly, I've done this. No, the soap doesn't go rancid. And, no, it doesn't get moldy either -- as long as the soap maker is smart about not putting large pieces of food (oatmeal, coarse coffee, flower petals, etc.) on or in the soap. But if that's the case, the soap might get moldy even if stored in the open air.
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@dixiedragon -- What I have found to work better than putting bars into individual plastic bags is to put the bars into an open tray or box and cover the top with clean cotton toweling or light plastic sheeting. An alternative is to enclose the entire tray or box with something like a cloth pillowcase or (shock! horror! sacrilege!) a plastic bag.
Use any kind of suitable lightweight material that will protect the soap from dust and other contaminants. For the past couple of years, I have been putting each box of soap into a very thin plastic bag right after I get the bars cut and detailed. I tuck the open end of the bag under the box to close it and "tent" the plastic above the top of the box so the plastic doesn't touch the soap.
The water evaporating from the soap must be allowed to dissipate. If this doesn't happen, a slick layer of glycerin and water will collect on the soap bars, which is a sign there isn't enough airflow. The wet surface of the soap can get marred with fingerprints, etc., simply because the soap is softer and easier to damage. This wetness is not rancidity nor mold, just to be clear, and it clears up nicely when the soap is able to dry off.
With a cloth cover, the airing-out and dissipation of moisture happens naturally without the soap maker's help.
If a plastic bag or plastic sheeting is used, you must air out the inside of the bag at least once a day for about two weeks to help the moisture dissipate. If you put each bar into individual plastic bags, it will take a lot of time to air out every one of those bags daily. Also the soap is at more risk of being damaged by all the handling and by the fact that you can't keep a small bag from touching the soap.
Just my two cents. I hope it gives you some useful ideas, Dixie.
Thank you, and in editing my post I was surprised by how definite I was. I must have been typing hangry, because I usually try to leave room for discussion. And over lunch it occurred to me that I probably haven't shared my compact soap storage DOS woes, because it seemed like such a clear pattern that I was never really scratching my head about what I was seeing, so your consternation about my viewpoint and my tone were more than justified.It's good to know you have put a fair bit of effort into testing this matter. Thank you for being willing to share your insights and experiences because that information gives authority to your opinions and advice.
I think it's also good when a person can research what other people have learned from their experiences and experiments.
So many soap makers unfortunately do neither -- they rely on gut-level "common sense;" or they blindly accept "it's always been done that way, so that's the way it must be done;" or they assume something to be true based on just one limited experience. That's why I question a person's point of view when I hear "always" and "never" being used.
It's good we are able to pool our respective insights and results.
For a while, I was sticking a bar from every batch in a medium sized cardboard box for long-term storage, spaced out within the box. I realized they each got DOS in around 3 weeks, compared to their open-air batch-mates which have none. All was kept in air-conditioned comfort. 3 different recipes, no food, back when I was using citric acid as the chelator with appropriate lye- I ceased the experiment before the 4th soap showed any signs. The box now holds my growing FO collection. I briefly experimented with putting a bar per soap box, for a few older bars, and also saw DOS, their open-air batch-mates still showing none. My interest in testing the experiment with Sodium Gluconate as the chelator is low.
I thought my sample size was sufficient for my confidence, but as your experience contradicts it, I'll amend my post.
Edited for clarity.
It was lined on all sides with the same brand-new plastic mesh I use to line all my curing trays, and the box was also brand-new. But it was a decorative, hard cardboard box, so maybe there was a chemical component that somehow contributed to rancidity? I know soap dough is frequently kept for a while, but I thought it kept best with a vacuum seal or similar air-tight packaging. Sort of like an all-or-nothing, open-air or vacuum-seal situation where middling it gets bad results? But the more I'm hearing from this thread, the more I'm wondering if my results were the exception, not the rule.Another factor could be the box itself. A few years ago when I mentioned that I use the cut-down cardboard boxes from grocery stores (free & abundantly available) to cure my soap, someone mentioned that the produce boxes could very well introduce contaminants to the soap and to watch for that. I always line the cardboard with paper towels or newsprint, then place meshed plastic so the soap does not sit directly on top of cardboard or paper. But with that warning I became more conscious of making sure the soap doesn't touch even the sides of the cardboard, especially as I re-use the cardboard as long as it is in good shape & don't want to introduce contaminants.
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