Castile project - pomace or EVO and Castor for SF?

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    RogueRose

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    I'd like to make an authentic castile and would really like it to be "authentic" but I would also like the lather from some castor oil and if I'm SF'ing (or lye discount by 5%), then is the 5% castor actually making it not fully castile soap?

    here is a print out of the 4 different recipes with EVO, OO Pomace, and each with castor. Sorry it is a little "faded" my screen froze and I had to take a screen shot before the program crashed.

    The main difference is that when adding Castor, the creamy goes up by 5 and the bubbly goes up by 5 (from 0) and the hardenss drops by one.

    I want to make one large recipe and put it away to age to see if it gets hard. Anyone have any experience or suggestions here?

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    I have lots of experience with castile. Its creamy and its hard, and its not castile if you use castor.
     
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    As Bodhi says, adding Castor would make it a Bastile soap, not a Castile - no matter what Dr Bonner tries to tell you, if there is any other oil than Olive Oil, it is NOT a Castile.

    I made mine with a 5% lye discount, plain water, only OO (of course!) and no colours or fragrance. After a decent cure - some people consider 1 year to be the MINIMUM cure time for a Castile - the lather is both creamy and bubbly.
     
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    I have made many loaves of true castile soap. The cute time is a little bit of a wait, I cure almost 12 months, I get a really great lather. You'd be surprised


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    *cure, not cute, lol


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    I will also add that EVOO will likely give a greenish tint. I used normal OO, not EVOO or pomace, and got a lovely creamy colour.
     
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    I made a bastile once with 5% castor and honestly, I didn't see much of a difference in lather. If you want true castile, stick with pomace and give a good cure. You can add a bit of sugar to help with bubbles.
     
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    What I have found strange is that I can't find light or plain OO that is less expensive than EVOO.
     
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    Have you looked for pomice OO? I can find it locally for around $16 for a gallon and I live in a very small town. Any large grocery store should carry it. You can use EVOO but your bars will be a strange yellowy green
     
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    Obsidian, I am about to make first true castile soap with EVOO. i have made many other soaps at this point,but not a true castile. I figured I'd plug my question here verses start another thread. Is it beneficial to add sugar, salt and how much. And would using the 1% citric acid affect the soap in a negative way concidering the lather is supposed to be pretty low? Thanks :)
     
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    I wouldn't add salt, castile gets plenty hard on its own. If you are worried about it taking awhile to unmold, use a water discount. I really don't know if sugar will help that much but it doesn't hurt to try. I would use 1-2 tsp ppo.
    Why do you want to use citric acid? I use it to reduce soap scum but have never tried it in castile so I can't help there. EVOO will make a really icky chartreuse colored soap, I have some curing now and they are awful looking. The bars made with pomace and a nice creamy white.
     

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