@Cellador I think we might be onto something with WSP (crafters choice) FO's not playing well with stabilizers. I almost used stabilizer in my cherry almond soap (7% vanillan) but decided to continue to embrace the brown. Now I'm glad I didn't as the FO is also crafters choice. I have BCN's Nag Champa FO... I think... I know it was on my wishlist and I have around 20 FO samples from them on hand... if so I might do a side by test batch of each FO with the stabilizer. I think I will stick with BCN's recommended 1:1 ratio for both tests.