Soap Making Forum > Recipe & Tutorials Forum > Recipe Feedback > Recipe Help Please


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-21-2013, 12:58 PM   #1
Aspiringdakini
 
Aspiringdakini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 36
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts
Likes Given: 42

Default Recipe Help Please

Hello again everyone. I have had to delete this post because I received a message from the person that I got the recipe from online. That person has their recipe online for all to see but I received an unkind message today from them saying that I had "copied" the recipe when I posted it here. I did not realize that was illegal and I am sorry. I thought that since the recipe was online for all to see, that it was okay to share it?!?!? The person said it was okay for others to use for personal use but did not want me copying the actual words of the recipe and posting it here. I am not sure why someone would post their recipe online if they did not want others to share it?!? Anyway, so that is why this thread is no longer what it was before. <3



__________________

Last edited by Aspiringdakini; 06-25-2013 at 01:29 PM.
Aspiringdakini is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 01:15 PM   #2
mips
 
mips's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: the Netherlands
Posts: 27
Liked 10 Times on 9 Posts
Likes Given: 7

Default

I put it in a lye calculator, but I have a feeling the recipe isn't quite right..

I tried the Lye calculator: http://www.brambleberry.com/Pages/Lye-Calculator.aspx

--"information deleted per request from author of blog"--

I never made soap from scratch before, but they have told me to run every recipe you find on the internet through the lye calculator before using it... cause not all recipes are right.

The finished product would yield 1463.57g, if you think this is too much, you can put the recipe into the lye calculator, and then when calculated you can resize the batch keeping the same percentages as in your original recipe.

Hope this helps, and I hope others can maybe clarify the amount of liquid used in the recipe.



__________________
mips is offline  
Aspiringdakini Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 01:22 PM   #3
mips
 
mips's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: the Netherlands
Posts: 27
Liked 10 Times on 9 Posts
Likes Given: 7

Default

About the superfatting, the SoapQueen explains it quite good:

__________________
mips is offline  
Aspiringdakini Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 01:49 PM   #4
Genny
Supporting Member
SOAP_SUPPORTER.png
 
Genny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NW Wisconsin
Posts: 3,747
Liked 862 Times on 554 Posts
Likes Given: 423

Default

First, fragrance oils for soap do not have alcohol in them. As for how to add them, find a fragrance oil that has good reviews in CP soap and add it at trace. But if this is your first soap experience, I'd do an unscented batch first so you can get an idea of what trace looks like. Some fragrance oils can accelerate trace, but it's not due to alcohol.

Mips is right, for your first batch, your recipe should have more liquid (water/milk). When I plugged your oils into http://www.soapcalc.net, I got 380 grams of liquid.
Your recipe is going to be very mild and conditioning, but not much for bubbles or lather. It will most likely be soft at first, but after curing it will be nice and hard.

Also, like Mips said, always run every recipe through a lye calculator. I prefer Soap Calc http://www.soapcalc.net

Do you have any other oils on hand, maybe some castor oil?

__________________

People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. - Isaac Asimov

Genny is offline  
2
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 06:52 PM   #5
Aspiringdakini
 
Aspiringdakini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 36
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts
Likes Given: 42

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Genny View Post
First, fragrance oils for soap do not have alcohol in them. As for how to add them, find a fragrance oil that has good reviews in CP soap and add it at trace. But if this is your first soap experience, I'd do an unscented batch first so you can get an idea of what trace looks like. Some fragrance oils can accelerate trace, but it's not due to alcohol.

Mips is right, for your first batch, your recipe should have more liquid (water/milk). When I plugged your oils into http://www.soapcalc.net, I got 380 grams of liquid.
Your recipe is going to be very mild and conditioning, but not much for bubbles or lather. It will most likely be soft at first, but after curing it will be nice and hard.

Also, like Mips said, always run every recipe through a lye calculator. I prefer Soap Calc http://www.soapcalc.net

Do you have any other oils on hand, maybe some castor oil?

Yes I do have other oils on hand. This is not my first CP attempt but I am just trying to find a nice basic cp recipe that has a good lather, not too hard, not too soft, white (or nearly white) and is moisturizing. I get confused using the soap calc. because the numbers at the end result always come out like 194893002.399382 and I am like, "Huh?" lol!!!
I have some castor oil, rapeseed oil, grapeseed oil, palm oil, sweet almond oil, coconut oil, olive oil (light and mild and medium), fractionated coconut oil and cocoa butter. Can you run something through the lye calculator for me including some of these ingredients to help achieve the "Dove" sort of soap I am wanting to make? I still want to use coconut milk because I like it a lot. I am just not sure about the recipe's and what each ingredient will do and the lye calculator just confuses me! lol If you could help me I would really appreciate it!!! Thanks again for your replies!
__________________

Last edited by Aspiringdakini; 03-21-2013 at 06:54 PM.
Aspiringdakini is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 07:13 PM   #6
Seifenblasen
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 435
Liked 147 Times on 79 Posts
Likes Given: 55

Default

Argh! Dove. (Dove is a kind of a 4-letter word here).

This is what's in it (and by the way, Dove is not exactly soap, it is a mixture of detergent and soap mixed together).
Ingredients:

Sodium Lauroyl Isethionate, Stearic Acid, Sodium Tallowate or Sodium Palmitate, Lauric Acid, Sodium Isethionate, Water, Sodium Stearate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocoate or Sodium Palm Kernelate, Fragrance, Sodium Chloride, Tetrasodium EDTA, Tetrasodium Etidronate, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891).

Base on the oils you have, and your request for a whitish bar, I played with Soap Calc and came up with the following. It is on the hard side because the oils that contribute to whiteness (coconut, cocoa butter, palm) are all hard. There is no olive oil in Dove, but possibly tallow, which makes a good white, hard bar. (And I like tallow and had used it when I could get it from a local rancher).

Also, not sure what you did, but for as long as I have used Soap Calc, I always only get 2 or 3 sig figs after the decimal point ...

You can also up the superfatting from 5% to 7 or 8% to make soap more "moisturizing".

Attached Thumbnails
test recipe.png  
__________________

Last edited by Seifenblasen; 03-21-2013 at 07:21 PM. Reason: added "Dove" ingredients
Seifenblasen is offline  
Genny Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 07:50 PM   #7
Aspiringdakini
 
Aspiringdakini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 36
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts
Likes Given: 42

Default

Yikes! Sorry, I didn't know that dove was such a bad thing. I really like it myself and me and my family have used it for years. Thank you for the calculation. I will look into adding tallow to your recipe as well as possibly adding some titanium dioxide for more whiteness. Thanks again.

__________________
Aspiringdakini is offline  
melstan775 Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 07:59 PM   #8
Seifenblasen
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 435
Liked 147 Times on 79 Posts
Likes Given: 55

Default

You are welcome! You can swap out the palm, some of the olive/coconut (but keep coconut between 20 to 25% for lather) with tallow. Just remember you have to keep the oil slightly warmer because tallow has a higher melting point. And run everything through soap calc again.

If you have been using Dove for a long time, it may take a little while for your skin to get adjusted to real soap. While real soap is not as stripping as Dove and other detergent-type "soaps", it is by nature higher in pH (more alkaline). When I first made the switch from commercial triple-milled soap, it took a few weeks for my skin to adjust. After that, however, it feels so much softer and I have since reduced my body lotion/cream use from twice a day to once a day or once every other day.

Some people's skin-type may not ever get used to the alkalinity of real soap. Even though they are the minority, they do exist, just so that you are aware of it.

__________________
Seifenblasen is offline  
Aspiringdakini Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 09:48 PM   #9
Hazel
Administrator
SOAP_ADMIN.png
 
Hazel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Ohio
Posts: 12,185
Liked 1527 Times on 1070 Posts
Likes Given: 1361

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspiringdakini View Post
Yikes! Sorry, I didn't know that dove was such a bad thing. I really like it myself and me and my family have used it for years.
I didn't know Dove was a bad thing, either. IMO, use what works for you and there's nothing wrong with commercially made soap/cleansing bars. Many commercially made bars are milder, have a lower pH and are less irritating than some handmade soap. I occasionally use them myself although I primarily use my own soap. You might find this discussion interesting and educational. http://www.soapmakingforum.com/f11/s...ssenger-26665/

You'd want to research syndets if you want to attempt to duplicate Dove since the ingredients are intended to be less alkaline.
__________________

Sometimes I pretend to be normal…but that gets boring after awhile so I go back to being me.


Hazel is offline  
Aspiringdakini Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2013, 10:07 PM   #10
Lindy
Soap Diva Queen & Moderator
SOAP_MODERATOR.png
 
Lindy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: BC
Posts: 8,110
Liked 1327 Times on 817 Posts
Likes Given: 1105

Default

If you are wanting a white soap then light olive oil, coconut oil, & castor oil is going to give you your best shot for whiteness.

Try:

  • Olive Oil 70%
  • Coconut Oil 25%
  • Castor Oil 5%
I'm not going to give you the exact amounts as I would like you to learn how to use one of the calculators and you can choose the size of the batch you want. Keep your fragrance oils beath 5% and essential oils (total amount) at less than 3%.


The above is going to give you a very conditioning bar with thick later and some bubbles. It was one of my first recipes and I used it for years with great response from my customers.....


Lindy is offline  
3
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Critique this shave-soap recipe...(REVISED RECIPE) IanT CP Soap Forum 28 01-06-2011 03:49 AM
making milk soap recipe from regular CP recipe kelleyaynn CP Soap Forum 4 12-24-2010 10:59 PM
HOMESTEAD BLESSING SOAP RECIPE----LOST MY RECIPE!! vbmo CP Soap Forum 3 02-15-2010 11:01 PM
Recipe Questions...Does this look like a good recipe?? sandyvern Soap Making Recipes & Tutorials 7 09-17-2008 05:20 PM

Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS