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Old 07-17-2017, 10:45 PM   #51
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I wish I had been a part of a forum like this when I started soaping years ago. I was one of those naive individuals that listened to her not so knowledgeable mentor and sold WAY too soon. I think it's vital that newbies be told that much research and time be committed before presenting to the public. I was recently corrected on this forum regarding something I'm doing wrong and instead of getting offended and pissed off because they were blunt, I took the correction and am learning more and fixing my mistake. So thanks to all those wise and knowledgeable individuals out there!


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Old 07-18-2017, 12:44 AM   #52
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No, they weren't. Just because others are even ruder and more brash does not make your statements in any way "kind." I'm not choosing you to pick on, you just happened to be the most recent example of this type of bad behavior on this site.


Keep that in mind.
Just because he did not pat them on the hand and tell them that everything will turn out OK, does not mean that he is rude. Telling people the truth is its own kindness. ESPECIALLY if it keeps someone from selling bad soap.


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Old 07-18-2017, 12:48 AM   #53
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I think this is how I am going to handle things from now on. I'll just go into lurk mode, and not offend people any more.
No, sir, please do not. You are a valid, valued contributor to this forum. You have helped more people than you have offended, by far.

And thank goodness I was not at the center of one firestorm, for a nice change.

I really hate that people take constructive criticism so badly.
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Old 07-18-2017, 04:42 AM   #54
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^^^totally agree with Susie. LOL, you slipping Susie?
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:33 PM   #55
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PenelopeJane, she's moving on to an B&B business, and her website stop updating, I doubt I'll get my money back.

On a second thought, though I think most of us would not like diva or cry baby, but what if it's a depressed person or have mental illness, or with some disability? Would our members' constructive criticism make them more depressed or go cuckoo, or feel unaccepted by society? Then Randy might actually make a point. Though I don't know if a more neutral tone or dial down a bit will make a difference to the response of these people mentioned above. But I think the society might tolerate them MORE (than same behavior from average Joe or Jane ) and be EVEN MORE GENTLE.

Just a random thought after reading Saponificarian's post.
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I can't (or won't) base my interactions with people on the possibility that they are mentally ill or anything in that direction, unless they state that up front and then it is not an assumption any more. That said, if someone is in a position that they can't take the sort of example here, how would they react if someone contacted them after buying dodgy products? Surely a little bit of a struggle here would be better than that sort of stress?
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PenelopeJane, she's moving on to an B&B business, and her website stop updating, I doubt I'll get my money back.

On a second thought, though I think most of us would not like diva or cry baby, but what if it's a depressed person or have mental illness, or with some disability? Would our members' constructive criticism make them more depressed or go cuckoo, or feel unaccepted by society? Then Randy might actually make a point. Though I don't know if a more neutral tone or dial down a bit will make a difference to the response of these people mentioned above. But I think the society might tolerate them MORE (than same behavior from average Joe or Jane ) and be EVEN MORE GENTLE.

Just a random thought after reading Saponificarian's post.
I find this to be pretty ridiculous, TBH. It's like that reasoning that you should be tolerant of rude, nasty people b/c they might have a mental illness. Seriously, if somebody is so severely mentally ill that a person on the internet telling them, "You don't know enough about soap to be a seller" pushes them to do something drastic ... then they were going to do something drastic anyway.

I also don't see how the post could have been MORE neutral. Sure, it could have been sugar-coated more, but to what purpose? It was polite, informative and gave logical reasons.


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