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Old 03-20-2017, 06:09 PM   #51
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Is it not also what other people (ie those who don't soap but buy soap) tend to think, too? When you say "champagne", do you mean a wine produced only in the Champagne region of France, or just a keyword for a sparkling white? Most people now say "Prosecco" or sparkling white for anything not actually "champagne" (even though Prosecco is also region specific).

But when people think of Castile, what are they expecting? Many people who are new and learn more about what soaps are made of are often quite amazed to learn that Dr Bonners Castile is not just Olive oil. And that he is also not actually a doctor!


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Is it not also what other people (ie those who don't soap but buy soap) tend to think, too? When you say "champagne", do you mean a wine produced only in the Champagne region of France, or just a keyword for a sparkling white? Most people now say "Prosecco" or sparkling white for anything not actually "champagne" (even though Prosecco is also region specific).

But when people think of Castile, what are they expecting? Many people who are new and learn more about what soaps are made of are often quite amazed to learn that Dr Bonners Castile is not just Olive oil. And that he is also not actually a doctor!
The French winemakers from Champagne vigorously defend their regional name, and have won a significant number of court cases across the world in the last decade or so. I know here in Australia our winemakers changed the names of their product to avoid facing legal action.

The soap makers from Marseille and Castile don't seem to have the same geographical protection, although the French will soon (if this is anything to go by, they are well on the way to getting protection in the next few years: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...akers-in-bitt/).

Castile? Not seeing any geographical protection, which is sad in a way, but the reality of advertising and common usage of of words (here in Australia, for years people would call a ball point pen a Bic, even if it wasn't, just because the company name was so closely associated with the pen type that the name became the common usage for the pen, much to the annoyance of other manufacturers at the time!).


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BTW, maybe it's just me, but that link didn't work for me. With the name James S. Kirk & CO, I'm guessing that refers to "Kirk's Castile" soap -- which, if I remember correctly, is all coconut oil. ??? Please correct me if that's wrong. Obviously, he won his case.
For what its worth, the link comes up fine for me.


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I haven't made a cream soap or shave soap yet. I have read about stearic making bars harder but not anything else. There is just so much to learn!
I'm in the UK btw. Maybe I should use Palm, if it's going to make a better soap. I'm an orangutan fan and so I avoid it but only because I have had some wonderful results without it. I guess I can buy the sustainable kind...
Thank you for your help.
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I haven't made a cream soap or shave soap yet. I have read about stearic making bars harder but not anything else. There is just so much to learn!
I'm in the UK btw. Maybe I should use Palm, if it's going to make a better soap. I'm an orangutan fan and so I avoid it but only because I have had some wonderful results without it. I guess I can buy the sustainable kind...
Thank you for your help.
If your not opposed, lard makes an awesome soap. Better than palm.
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DITTO what DeeAnna said.

Thank you for posting that. I've long wanted to mention that, technically, "castile" means a soap made with all vegetable oils, i.e., containing no tallow. But, in Margo's defense, she meant no harm and was only passionately parroting what she learned elsewhere. KWIM? I hope we can agree, that many soapers become "victims" of soaping forums and groups where "castile" means 100% olive oil soaps. It's just one of those pieces of mis-information that gets passed down the line -- on and on and on -- until it becomes "cast-in-stone" -- or, as I call it, "soapstone"! Haha. ... Hence, the necessity of inventing the soap-making-world jargon, "bastile" (bastard + castile), to mean olive oil + other vegie oils.

BTW, maybe it's just me, but that link didn't work for me. With the name James S. Kirk & CO, I'm guessing that refers to "Kirk's Castile" soap -- which, if I remember correctly, is all coconut oil. ??? Please correct me if that's wrong. Obviously, he won his case.
Unfortunately, she makes negative comments like this quite often and offers nothing much as far as help or assistance to others and it's not nice.
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For what its worth, the link comes up fine for me.
Thanks, Irish. I just tried it again and it worked!
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Default Substitute for palm oil?

Palm oil is very hard to find where I am - and I remember having read that it has great soap making qualities - so I was wondering what I could substitue it with? I have a lot of Shea butter and quite a lot of Argan oil - the cheapest oils here are olive oil and sunflower oil..

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Palm oil is very hard to find where I am - and I remember having read that it has great soap making qualities - so I was wondering what I could substitue it with? I have a lot of Shea butter and quite a lot of Argan oil - the cheapest oils here are olive oil and sunflower oil..

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Welcome to the forum! If you'd like your question to be seen by more people, I'd definitely recommend starting your own thread in the Beginner forum.
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Palm oil is very hard to find where I am - and I remember having read that it has great soap making qualities - so I was wondering what I could substitue it with? I have a lot of Shea butter and quite a lot of Argan oil - the cheapest oils here are olive oil and sunflower oil..

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Yes, if you start your own thread, people will respond to your question (since it's the first post) and you'll get more info.

The most direct replacement for palm is lard or tallow.

If you want to use shea, I make a recipe that I like that is 50% shea and has a 2% superfat. Shea has a lot of unsaponifiables (things that don't become soap). These make for a nice, gentle soap but can also negatively effect lather, and the lower superfat will help with that.

Castor 5
Coconut 20
Shea butter 50
Sunflower 25
2% superfat.

I do think this has a longer cure time than a lard soap, though. Next I make this I will probably replace some of the sunflower with olive and/or rice bran.


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