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Old 03-19-2017, 04:21 PM   #1
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I bought some cade EO since I like all things smoky, but it is very pungent. It smells straight up like the ashes from a bonfire : very phenolic.

I want to have a touch of smoke in an eucalyptus and peppermint EO blend I plan to use in a body salt bar.

Which percentage of cade should I use ? I was thinking about 5% in the blend and will only do a small batch, with eucalyptus and peppermint split evenly.

I plan to scent with the blend at about 3-4% ppo.


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Old 03-19-2017, 05:26 PM   #2
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Maybe try entering your blend in her calculator http://www.modernsoapmaking.com/calc..._type%5D=14997

Here is the actual calculator from Modern Soapmaking http://www.modernsoapmaking.com/enter-your-own-blend/


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Old 03-19-2017, 05:35 PM   #3
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Maybe try entering your blend in her calculator http://www.modernsoapmaking.com/calc..._type%5D=14997

Here is the actual calculator from Modern Soapmaking http://www.modernsoapmaking.com/enter-your-own-blend/
Thank your for your response.

I put my numbers in the calculator before posting and the usage rate I wanted was fine. I'm more worried about the aroma of using cade in soap so it is not overwhelming.
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I would start with a few drops of each on a cue tip and see how the scent develops. You can stick the cue tips in a baggie for a few hrs to overnight. Not knowing what your percentage of the Euc/peppermint blend is I would probably try .5% of the Cade to start with if it is really strong.

My method is to start with the predominant fragrance I want then add the one in question. So if you have a Euc/Peppermint you like just add in drops of the Cade until you like it. I fragrance almost all soaps at min of 6%. Start with a small amount and keep notes, you can easily end up with several ounces if you have to keep changing the eo amounts. That is why I like to start out with drops so I can easily adjust and translate into percentage or ratio
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I would start with a few drops of each on a cue tip and see how the scent develops. You can stick the cue tips in a baggie for a few hrs to overnight. Not knowing what your percentage of the Euc/peppermint blend is I would probably try .5% of the Cade to start with if it is really strong.

My method is to start with the predominant fragrance I want then add the one in question. So if you have a Euc/Peppermint you like just add in drops of the Cade until you like it. I fragrance almost all soaps at min of 6%. Start with a small amount and keep notes, you can easily end up with several ounces if you have to keep changing the eo amounts. That is why I like to start out with drops so I can easily adjust and translate into percentage or ratio
That's a very good idea, thank you, will do.
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I tried the q-tip method and found that about 4% cade was right. I made the salt bars this morning (day off, yeah !) and swapped the peppermint for lemongrass since I didn't care for peppermint and cade together. I went with 5% ppo EO usage rate (I didn't factor salt weight at all).

I went with a simple 100% CO recipe with a 15% superfat I found on the internet. I chose to go with 100% oil weight in salt, added at trace after adding the EO (go big or go home).

Boy oh boy did that EO blend accelerate on me. The second I added the EO and mixed, by hand, it went from thin trace to pudding. This is a recipe that needs no stick blending.

Alarmed, I poured the salt in and stirred to incorporate as best as I could. I had to scoop the batter in the molds so there is a lot of texture on the tops.

Sadly, the cade seems to have all but disappeared. Maybe it'll come back once the bar is wet. The bars were rock hard 3 hours after shoving them into the molds, so I unmolded and cleaned them up with a knife somewhat.
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Cedarwood EO might help bridge the cade and peppermint for a smokey forest mint scent. Let us know if the cade scent reappears. I usually put my scents through a three week open air test - if they last that long they generally stick around in soap. On the down side there was one scent I put through the test, didn't like it at first but over time it became lovely. I put it in a soap and it took roughly 6 months to change and get that lovely scent. Scenting is still mostly a mystery to me, but boy I feel proud when I get it right!
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I bought some cade EO since I like all things smoky, but it is very pungent. It smells straight up like the ashes from a bonfire : very phenolic.

I want to have a touch of smoke in an eucalyptus and peppermint EO blend I plan to use in a body salt bar.

Which percentage of cade should I use ? I was thinking about 5% in the blend and will only do a small batch, with eucalyptus and peppermint split evenly.

I plan to scent with the blend at about 3-4% ppo.
I found a recipe for an essential oil blend on a respected site that utilizes cade (rectified) as 2% of the essential oil blend. I might start there.

Do you mind if I asked where you purchased yours from?
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New Directions Aromatics.

The soap I used the cade in now only smells of cade and it is not a subtle smell: very medicinal and phenolic (like coal tar shampoo). I will probably not use it in soap anymore...
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Thanks for sharing your results! I hope the scent evens out for you over time. Big bonus points if you give us an update in a few months or so


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