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Old 07-21-2017, 09:14 AM   #11
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I feel your pain. I was in your shoes 9 months ago. My baby had eczema and nothing was working which was what set me on this B&B quest.

Advise from a newbie like you, don't try to make your own emulsification system yet. It is daunting if you haven't even made a batch of lotion yet. Try to make a batch of lotion at 100g. I can knock up a recipe for you if you want using the oils and butter you have. Use e-wax or polawax(I strongly recommend this). Usage rate of e-wax is at 25%of your oil phase plus 1 while polawax is 25% of your total oil phase.

(If you are using 20g oil phase, 25% of 20g is 5g. 5+1 =6g)
If using Polawax, You will use 5g polawax. I have been making lotions and body butter for almost 10months now using Polawax and I have never had a lotion fail (knocking on wood). The one time I had an epic lotion fail was the one time I bought cheap Polawax from a suspect website. Buy from reputable suppliers please. I buy mine from Brambleberry.

It does get better I promise. Fast forward 10months, I make all our products now. Soaps, creams, body butter, conditioner, shampoos, scrubs, toners. Everything and all I learnt from Swiftcraftymonkey


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First decide what percentage of ingredients you like , everything must be summed up to 100% then ie 70% Of water times 5 and you got 350 water for 500 g batch . when you have percentage it is the easiest way to calculate. Let's say you need the 500 g , sum all you calculation it must be 500 g, remember if you add any silicone you count is (it goes to cool down phase) for emulsifier amount. Very easy
For years I used this way calculating on piece of paper When you have too much take out from water, then if not enough add to water, and also add at least 10% of water phase for evaporation, not whole batch just add all water ingredients
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Here is WSP's batch calculator and their percentage calculator. They will both work for lotion if you know the percentage of ingredients you want to use
http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com...alculator.aspx
http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com...alculator.aspx

I usually use a spreadsheet a kind person on another forum sent me, but sometimes use the above calculators
yes, thats the one.... thxxx
I saw this on a youtube tutorial but wasnt 100% sure

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I feel your pain. I was in your shoes 9 months ago. My baby had eczema and nothing was working which was what set me on this B&B quest.

Advise from a newbie like you, don't try to make your own emulsification system yet. It is daunting if you haven't even made a batch of lotion yet. Try to make a batch of lotion at 100g. I can knock up a recipe for you if you want using the oils and butter you have. Use e-wax or polawax(I strongly recommend this). Usage rate of e-wax is at 25%of your oil phase plus 1 while polawax is 25% of your total oil phase.

(If you are using 20g oil phase, 25% of 20g is 5g. 5+1 =6g)
If using Polawax, You will use 5g polawax. I have been making lotions and body butter for almost 10months now using Polawax and I have never had a lotion fail (knocking on wood). The one time I had an epic lotion fail was the one time I bought cheap Polawax from a suspect website. Buy from reputable suppliers please. I buy mine from Brambleberry.

It does get better I promise. Fast forward 10months, I make all our products now. Soaps, creams, body butter, conditioner, shampoos, scrubs, toners. Everything and all I learnt from Swiftcraftymonkey
It's so over whelming on her website , soooo much info and you have to go through it all to get to the first posts she made... alot I mean alot

yes I can get Polawax from New Directions - they are down the street from me Im just dying to eventually make face creams cause I pay a FORTUNE for mine at sephora and we all know they arent the most natural - Im not getting any younger , I can use some really good stuff

Yes pls help me make up a recipe - ive filled up half of my note book already with research notes --- theres still sooo much I just need to do it already

thx for your great advise, thx for taking the time

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What do you want in a calculator?
I was thinking ( hoping ) it was like the soap calc
you put in the ingredients and voila - all the calculations just pop up

I see this is diff now - not hard , cause everyone is explaining it now

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First decide what percentage of ingredients you like , everything must be summed up to 100% then ie 70% Of water times 5 and you got 350 water for 500 g batch . when you have percentage it is the easiest way to calculate. Let's say you need the 500 g , sum all you calculation it must be 500 g, remember if you add any silicone you count is (it goes to cool down phase) for emulsifier amount. Very easy
For years I used this way calculating on piece of paper When you have too much take out from water, then if not enough add to water, and also add at least 10% of water phase for evaporation, not whole batch just add all water ingredients
thank you! sometimes its easier when the whole forum explains it lol
I see it now, honestly before I wasnt getting it

thank you all so much !
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I have made my own spreadsheet for lotions and creams that is based on the limited number of ingredients I choose to use. I wouldn't dream of putting it out on the internet -- there are just too many variables to deal with. Different emulsifiers require different usage rates, some work only for lower pH or no cationic ingredients, some are temperamental to use, some need a specific method of mechanical mixing. And there is no universal correlation between the % of emulsifier to thickener -- that is fixed by the person's preferences and the overall performance of the finished product. Preservatives are used at different rates depending on the likelihood of microbial growth, some can't be added to the heated phase, some are inactivated by pH or the presence of certain ingredients. And I haven't even touched on the myriad additives that can be included in a lotion -- how could one keep track of all their usage rates and chemical interactions? Nor the endless variations on how people choose to make their lotions.

If you think about it, the soap calculators have a much easier job. We usually make soap from one or two alkalis (KOH and/or NaOH), fats, and water. Once the list of fats is compiled and the saponification and fatty acid calculations are set up, the calculations are straightforward. But a soaper can easily step outside this basic box and when that happens, the soap calcs are not much help. A person can use a different alkali for saponification such as ammonium hydroxide or sodium carbonate. Or an unusual method of making the soap, such as the "boiled" method. Or she can include additives that interact with the saponification reaction (borax, acids, sodium carbonate, etc.) In that case, the soap calcs are not much help -- you are back to doing the calculations on your own.
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I have made my own spreadsheet for lotions and creams that is based on the limited number of ingredients I choose to use. I wouldn't dream of putting it out on the internet -- there are just too many variables to deal with. Different emulsifiers require different usage rates, some work only for lower pH or no cationic ingredients, some are temperamental to use, some need a specific method of mechanical mixing. And there is no universal correlation between the % of emulsifier to thickener -- that is fixed by the person's preferences and the overall performance of the finished product. Preservatives are used at different rates depending on the likelihood of microbial growth, some can't be added to the heated phase, some are inactivated by pH or the presence of certain ingredients. And I haven't even touched on the myriad additives that can be included in a lotion -- how could one keep track of all their usage rates and chemical interactions? Nor the endless variations on how people choose to make their lotions.

If you think about it, the soap calculators have a much easier job. We usually make soap from one or two alkalis (KOH and/or NaOH), fats, and water. Once the list of fats is compiled and the saponification and fatty acid calculations are set up, the calculations are straightforward. But a soaper can easily step outside this basic box and when that happens, the soap calcs are not much help. A person can use a different alkali for saponification such as ammonium hydroxide or sodium carbonate. Or an unusual method of making the soap, such as the "boiled" method. Or she can include additives that interact with the saponification reaction (borax, acids, sodium carbonate, etc.) In that case, the soap calcs are not much help -- you are back to doing the calculations on your own.

yes I know , theres just so much to it.. not as easy as you would think
I honestly just started researching it cause I wanted a more natural/ less expensive face cream...

yikes ... I might just step back and keep making soap
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Anne Watson has a good book called Smart Lotionmaking. She has sensible step-by-step advice about making lotions and provides nice recipes to get started with. She keeps things fairly simple, so she doesn't overwhelm the new person. Her book is also very affordable. http://www.annelwatson.com/books/Lotionmaking.html
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It's so over whelming on her website , soooo much info and you have to go through it all to get to the first posts she made... alot I mean alot

yes I can get Polawax from New Directions - they are down the street from me Im just dying to eventually make face creams cause I pay a FORTUNE for mine at sephora and we all know they arent the most natural - Im not getting any younger , I can use some really good stuff

Yes pls help me make up a recipe - ive filled up half of my note book already with research notes --- theres still sooo much I just need to do it already

thx for your great advise, thx for taking the time
Here goes the recipe: For face cream, I like it light, dry feeling and as much softening I can get.

For 100g.
Water Phase. Water Phase
74.45% Water 74.45g Water
2% glycerin. 2g glycerin

Oil Phase. Oil Phase
5% Mango butter. 5g Mango butter( Dry feeling but softening. Love it.
5% Rice Bran oil. 5g Rice bran oil(phytosterol and Ferulic acid
5% Pomegranate oil. 5g Pomegranate oil (For the Pucinic acid
2% Cetyl Alcohol 2g Cetyl Alcohol( Prefer the glide of Cetyl to Stearic
4.25% Polawax. 4.25g Polawax
2g Fragrance oil/Essential oil
2% Fragrance/Essential oil (Please check usage rate for your essential oil) Not too much fragrance though since its face cream.
0.3% Liquid Germal Plus. 0.3g Liquid Germal Plus(Preservative)

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any question. I will be glad to help

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WOW Thank you so much! I didn't expect this ... you are amazing
thank you so very much- i know the rules when it comes to giving up recipes so this is greatly appreciated ..

Have a great day !!!! im on my way to order the pomegranate oil.. im so excited to finally get this going
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It's a pleasure. Glad I could help. Let me know if you have any questions. By the way, Niacinamide will be lovely in this if you can get it. Add 2%(2g) remove 2g from water. Also Liquid Germal plus is heat sensitive so add it when temp is not more than 45degree Celsius.

Step1a. Weigh out the water phase ingredient in a beaker
Step1b. Weigh out the oil phase. (Oils, butter, Cetyl)
Step 2. Put both beaker in a double boiler. Once the temp of both the water and oil phase reaches 70 degree Celsius time it for 20mins (I leave it for 25mins) just to be extra sure the 'nasties be dead'
Step 3. Combine both together. Hit with your stick blender not more than 20-30 secs for 100g and stir.( just to be sure the water and oil are combined. Then walk away. Seriously no more stick blending until later.
I try to make sure the temp difference is not more than 5 degrees when combining both oil phase and water phase
Step 4. When it's at 45 degree Celsius put it back on the scale, tarred the scale and add your preservative and fragrance. Pulse the mixture with your stick blender for 5secs.
Step 5. Yeah! You just made your first lotion. Now you get bragging rights.


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