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Old 11-23-2017, 05:15 PM   #1
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Hey guys,

I've just discovered the existence of natural fragrance oils. Since I have zero experience with US suppliers, could you point me to the reliable ones, or to sites you know sell good all natural fragrance oils?

I've seen some in BathBody supply.com; from nature with love and Sweet cakes.

I've bought some in Bulk Apothecary (already here and lovely) and Wholesale (not here yet), but that's as far as I go.

Help?
Thank you so much! <3


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Not sure where to start here. It is my understanding that FOs are not considered "natural" but then again the definition of natural when it comes to soap making is quite loose


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Old 11-24-2017, 03:02 AM   #3
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Are you able to provide a link to the product you are referring to? It may help people to offer you their advice and experiences and clarify whether it is natural or synthesized.

As a general rule, fragrance oils are synthetic.

It is essential oils that are considered natural, as they are extracted directly from the plant material (often by steam distillation).

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I've just discovered the existence of natural fragrance oils. Since I have zero experience with US suppliers, could you point me to the reliable ones, or to sites you know sell good all natural fragrance oils?
Primrose,

Soap is manufactured, involves a chemical reaction and is not directly extracted. So, even though soap compounds do exist in nature, the soap we make is not.

The INGREDIENTS used to make that soap can be natural or synthetic or a mixture of both.

Here in Australia the word natural is defined (in the organic certification standard), so it's a little easier for us (in that the definition is very clear).

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Not sure where to start here. It is my understanding that FOs are not considered "natural" but then again the definition of natural when it comes to soap making is quite loose
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Hey Primrose and Saltedfig!
Sure. I used to think the same way till i found this:
http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com...ance-oils.aspx

And now I'm confused and super interested since my products are all natural!
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Hey Primrose and Saltedfig!
Sure. I used to think the same way till i found this:
http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com...ance-oils.aspx

And now I'm confused and super interested since my products are all natural!
Judging by the wording, they sound like EO blends with some added "botanical" elements. I'd be interested to see ingredient lists!
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I received and tested several of the plant-based FOs in cp soap from From Nature With Love. https://www.fromnaturewithlove.com/s...rance-oils.asp
While they smell great out of the bottle, my experience of them so far is that they either fade to almost nothing after cure or they morph and do not maintain their original scent. For instance, the cherry ends up smelling floral and clean & not much like cherry at all.
If you are interested in ones on that site, let me know and I'd be happy to provide my opinion if I've tried it. My reviews are also on the FO review spreadsheet.
I have tested a few in lotions also & while they still morph a little bit, they stay strong & mostly retain their original scent.

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The fact that they've referred to these as fragrance oils, and in another part of their website refer to blends of essential oils and fragrance oils, suggests to me that they have been synthesized.

They may be using the loose definition of natural that Primrose was referring to (in that the Fragrance Oil may have originated from botanical origins, but has been chemically manufactured to generate the fragrance oil). This would explain their very specific, yet vague, information. For example, as far as I know, there is no essential, or other natural, oil that smells of pineapple/coconut when it's used in soap making. That, and they've specifically said their fragrances are Phthalate free, which also suggests that they are manufactured (this claim isn't necessary for distilled oils).

They list a link to an MSDS, but this just leads back to another page, not any MSDS. Perhaps contact them (they do say that you can ask for the up to date version of the MSDS).
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Judging by the wording, they sound like EO blends with some added "botanical" elements. I'd be interested to see ingredient lists!
Same here toxicon!
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Salted Fig, can you link me to the definition of natural as it pertains to soap in Australia?
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Salted Fig, can you link me to the definition of natural as it pertains to soap in Australia?
ACOS 2017 V1, page 4 (of 100)
http://austorganic.com/wp-content/up...OS_2017_V1.pdf

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Any material, not otherwise expressly prohibited in this Standard, which has been harvested, mined, or collected, which may be processed without chemical reaction (allowing washing, distilling, grinding/milling, separation and/or concentration of the material by physical (including steam) or biological means, to yield a material that is identifiable in the original source material.


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