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Old 08-12-2017, 01:13 PM   #11
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I would not use soybean oil, either. Do you have a problem with using lard or tallow? Lard is readily available in the US, it is cheap, and makes lovely soap. Or if you have a Walmart nearby, buy the Great Value Shortening. It has tallow and palm. My favorite recipe have both lard and GV shortening, as well as olive, coconut, and castor oil. All are available at Walmart if you have access to one.


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John44, if all you have access to is coconut oil, sunflower oil, canola & soybean oil, it would probably be a good idea to find a source for Rosemary Oleoresin to help prevent DOS in your soaps.

See these links about DOS and how to prevent it: http://cavemanchemistry.com/DreadedOrangeSpot-Dunn.pdf
More about using ROE: http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showt...mary+oleoresin
https://classicbells.com/soap/ROE.html

With all soft oils (except the CO) the Iodine values and the INS values are not going to fall within the suggested ranges very much, but I wouldn't worry about that so much.

For more information about INS & other values given in soapcalc see these links:
https://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-b...or-soapmaking/
http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showthread.php?t=36717
http://soapcalc.net/info/soapqualities.asp

You may find this interesting regarding the results of a survey of soapers and what fatty acid profiles were most popular:
http://www.modernsoapmaking.com/the-...in-soapmaking/

As to your choices of oils, at least the plain canola oil is higher in oleic and lower in linoleic, so it seems a better choice than soy or plain sunflower unless you can get the High Oleic version of Sunflower Oil. If you have access to the high oleic version of Sunflower, that would probably be your best soft oil to choose, as with a long cure it makes a nice hard soap.

Also, if you say where you are, perhaps others on the forum might know better where to refer you for other supplies that you have yet found. Sometimes someone in your country has found a good source for a soaping oil and don't know to tell you about it because we don't know where you are.


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Old 08-12-2017, 01:45 PM   #13
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I would not use soybean oil, either. Do you have a problem with using lard or tallow? Lard is readily available in the US, it is cheap, and makes lovely soap. Or if you have a Walmart nearby, buy the Great Value Shortening. It has tallow and palm. My favorite recipe have both lard and GV shortening, as well as olive, coconut, and castor oil. All are available at Walmart if you have access to one.
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I don't want to use animal fats.
what is your opinion about this recipe:
65% soybean oil
35% coconut oil
with 5% super fat.
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See this about iodine number and INS: http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showthread.php?t=56749
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I wouldn't use canola or soy in your soap, they are short lived and can make your soap go bad. Since you have limited oils available and don't want to use animal fats, what about a 100% coconut soap with 20% SF? The numbers will look terrible in soap calc but I promise it makes a nice soap.
Where are you located? any chance of getting shea or cocobutter? What about olive or avocado oil?
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Can I ask what your objections to animal fats are? Unless you are dead set against it, you're missing out on some great options for what might be a misinformed reasoning.

Also, don't worry too much about each and every number that the calcs spit out - if an experienced member suggests a recipe but the calcs show it as lacking, trust the member not the numbers. There are many soap recipes which are terrible according to the numbers, because the calcs are limited in what they can do.
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John44, if all you have access to is coconut oil, sunflower oil, canola & soybean oil, it would probably be a good idea to find a source for Rosemary Oleoresin to help prevent DOS in your soaps.

See these links about DOS and how to prevent it: http://cavemanchemistry.com/DreadedOrangeSpot-Dunn.pdf
More about using ROE: http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showt...mary+oleoresin
https://classicbells.com/soap/ROE.html

With all soft oils (except the CO) the Iodine values and the INS values are not going to fall within the suggested ranges very much, but I wouldn't worry about that so much.

For more information about INS & other values given in soapcalc see these links:
https://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-b...or-soapmaking/
http://www.soapmakingforum.com/showthread.php?t=36717
http://soapcalc.net/info/soapqualities.asp

You may find this interesting regarding the results of a survey of soapers and what fatty acid profiles were most popular:
http://www.modernsoapmaking.com/the-...in-soapmaking/

As to your choices of oils, at least the plain canola oil is higher in oleic and lower in linoleic, so it seems a better choice than soy or plain sunflower unless you can get the High Oleic version of Sunflower Oil. If you have access to the high oleic version of Sunflower, that would probably be your best soft oil to choose, as with a long cure it makes a nice hard soap.

Also, if you say where you are, perhaps others on the forum might know better where to refer you for other supplies that you have yet found. Sometimes someone in your country has found a good source for a soaping oil and don't know to tell you about it because we don't know where you are.
Thanks for your time
If I use ROE (or other preservatives) which of the below recipes is better and which you recommend?
1.
65% soybean oil
35% coconut oil
with 5% super fat

2.
65% canola oil (not HO)
35% coconut oil
with 5% super fat.

3.
65% sunflower oil (not HO)
35% coconut oil
with 5% super fat.
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