Dremma said:
As for the lye question, there is no lye in finished soap. If you are listing your ingredients on a cosmetic label, then it has to have the correct INCI names. So for example, a coconut oil soap you would list as 'Sodium Cocoate' which is the INCI name for coconut soap - that is already saponified coconut oil - lye does not exist in it anymore.
Well.... you can list what is in there. And you'll run into a couple of problems.
How much glycerine to list.
how much water is still in there by the time you sell
You'll have to list unsaponified oils separately but each oil behaves differently so you won't know how much of it hasn't reacted with the lye.
So I list what goes in there instead of what is in there. Including naoh & koh.
Aside from that, companies that use 'sodium cocoate' propbably buy pre saponified oils. So they list what goes in too.
Zum bar ingredients:
What's inside? Ingredients you can pronounce.
Saponified 100% food grade olive, coconut, palm & castor oils, in a goat's milk base, with pure essential oils and mineral pigments.
cut>We start from scratch with goat's milk because its pH balance is a near twin to your skin, so it leaves your skin feeling ultra moisturized<cut
And what if it's "soap"?
FDA info:
Soap is a category that needs special explanation. That's because the regulatory definition of "soap" is different from the way in which people commonly use the word. Products that meet the definition of "soap" are exempt from the provisions of the FD&C Act because -- even though Section 201(i)(1) of the act includes "articles...for cleansing" in the definition of a cosmetic -- Section 201(i)(2) excludes soap from the definition of a cosmetic.
How FDA defines "soap"
Not every product marketed as soap meets FDA's definition of the term. FDA interprets the term "soap" to apply only when --
* The bulk of the nonvolatile matter in the product consists of an alkali salt of fatty acids and the product's detergent properties are due to the alkali-fatty acid compounds, and
* The product is labeled, sold, and represented solely as soap [21 CFR 701.20].
If a cleanser does not meet all of these criteria...
If a product intended to cleanse the human body does not meet all the criteria for soap, as listed above, it is either a cosmetic or a drug. For example:
If a product --
* consists of detergents or
* primarily of alkali salts of fatty acids and
* is intended not only for cleansing but also for other cosmetic uses, such as beautifying or
moisturizing,
it is regulated as a cosmetic.
IMO their labeling is not just vague, it is incorrect. I know you see a lot of people selling online that do not meet up the the FDA guidelines and regulations.
I know that can hurt when you are working your a** off to do so.
But in the end, their insurance does not cover malpractices. Now I really don't hope for anyone to get hurt, nor lose everything in court, but I'd much rather be on the safe side.