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Old 01-10-2017, 06:01 PM   #1
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Hi All,

I'm trying again to experiment with lard. I hadn't soaped in a while due to adopting a cat and my fear of tripping over him while carrying lye water. Now that he has started to mellow out, I have in the past couple of months started soaping again.

Previously, I've had fun just messing around with different oils, adding fancy stuff to try out, but it wasn't a methodical approach. My fiance eventually (not any time soon, of course) wants me to start selling as a means to support the hobby, so I'm going to be a bit more dedicated in my testing and not getting so caught up in trying out all the different specialty oils. I even recently made 3 nearly identical test batches of soap except for one had lard, one shea, and one cocoa butter - those are curing now.

Now I'd like to try a "high" lard batch. I know many folks go much higher, but I wanted to start somewhere in the middle.
(Yes, I know that Olive Oil and Rice Bran oil are redundant - I love olive oil, I know the rice bran oil is more cost effective, but so far I prefer a mix over using only Rice Bran in place of Olive Oil).

Anyhoo. Here is what I have in the soap calc, and I wanted to get some opinions from folks if this looks balanced enough, and if you think it should be a slow-ish or fast-ish trace, etc. Also, I picked up some sodium lactate to play with - what usage rate would you use for a recipe like this? I've found the recommended usage rates for EDTA on SMF, but have been having trouble finding a specific percentage of total oil weight for sodium lactate.

Forgive all the questions - any and all information is totally appreciated.


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Old 01-10-2017, 06:10 PM   #2
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I believe the recommendation for SL is 1% to 3%, but I have also seen 1tsp ppo.

If you use the Sage MMS lye calculator, it will calculate that for you.

BB's Soap Queen blogpost here talks about how to use SL at the 1tsp ppo rate.


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Old 01-10-2017, 06:19 PM   #3
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I haven't used rice bran oil or flax oil, but otherwise this is pretty close to one of my go to recipes. It behaves very well - lots of time to play.
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Curious as to why the 40% lye concentration?

And the 5% flax? Is that an experiment? Maybe leave that out this time and add to the lard then. You won't be sorry!

I use 1.5 - 2% sc of oil weight. Wish I could tell you how it works. I have soft water, friends have hard so I use it, and only gotten positive feedback. However its hard to know if they're being honest, polite, or just don't have that soaper's enjoyment of soap performance details!

You've made a fine recipe.
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I think the flax is used as a luxury oil in this recipe. I happen to like the feel of flax seed oil soap, but flax seed oil goes rancid pretty quickly, even in the refrigerator. So you can expect DOS if the soap is kept too long. You could try reducing your SF to delay DOS, but I made a 0% SF bar of only flax oil and still had to toss it eventually when the DOS turned it rancid and the smell became overpowering.

I'd suggest another luxury oil instead. If you have lots of Flax Seed Oil and still want to give it a try, then maybe do a small batch with Flax and a small one with another luxury oil and see how they compare over time?
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Lots of oils in there for me but it looks like it'll make a good bar of soap.

I like to keep things as simple as possible just because I know me and my ability to mess up.
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Thanks all for the feedback. . I'll try without the flax and then with as an experiment and see what I like better/how they last.

I recall reading an article from swiftcraftymonkey that discussed the benefits of linolenic acid for the skin, and flax seed oil has a high linolenic acid number so I was going to give it a try. Thanks for the heads up on its propensity for DOS - I'll give it a try for kicks, but if it doesn't work out I may have to figure out something else to use the flaxseed oil for.
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Susan from Crafty Monkey refers to lotions and scrubs. She is not a soapmaker. Soap is a washoff item so you really do not get any theraputic properties from it. Some oils such as Avocado, SAO etc do add some nice feel properties to soap. I do not use flax due to severe allergies to it. 50% linolenic is very high for soap. Try making a small batch of 100% flax oil and see how it works. I like to make a single bar test batch or small flowers in a muli cavity silicone mold for sharing
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(Yes, I know that Olive Oil and Rice Bran oil are redundant - I love olive oil, I know the rice bran oil is more cost effective, but so far I prefer a mix over using only Rice Bran in place of Olive Oil).
I often hear folks say that they consider using both to be redundant, but I'm with you- I actually like a mix of olive and rice bran, and I don't find them to be redundant at all, especially considering that rice bran has almost 1/2 less the amount of oleic as olive oil, while at the same time contains roughly 3 times more linoleic than olive. I think they make a great combo and I use them both in my bastille formula.

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Also, I picked up some sodium lactate to play with - what usage rate would you use for a recipe like this?
I myself normally use between 2% to 3% ppo of SL (not of the dry form, but of the pre-made/liquid 60% solution form) Basically, the more hard fats that I have in my formula, the lesser amount of SL, and the more soft oils in my formula, the more SL I'll use. For what its worth, though, I never go over 3% ppo.

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but if it doesn't work out I may have to figure out something else to use the flaxseed oil for.
Smoothies! At least that's what I do with mine, anyway. I keep my flax oil stored in the freezer. It lasts much longer in there, and since it's so unsaturated, it'll only thicken up slightly when frozen instead of harden, making it very easy squirt into my smoothies.


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Curious as to why the 40% lye concentration?
Is there something unusual about that lye concentration? I've seen that recommended a couple of times, but when I tried it I got a film on the lye solution (lye reacting with carbon dioxide in the air). I usually use a 35% lye concentration.


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