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Old 06-14-2016, 04:26 AM   #11
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Having said that, again this shampoo bar has a substantial super fat and I have tested it and found it to be between 6 and 7 Ph. The blog article even says that with a PH that low a shampoo bar could be possible.
I'm sorry, but without using synthetic detergents this simply isn't possible. If the pH were that low it would separate out and cease to be soap. Kevin Dunn even offered a substantial award if someone could send him a sample of neutral pH soap to be tested on lab equipment, the award has yet to be won.

But back to hair - I like to use my salt bars once in awhile, with an ACV rinse, when my hair is really grubby.


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Old 06-14-2016, 04:55 AM   #12
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Nope, me either. Give me my silicone for my hair.


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Old 06-14-2016, 05:13 AM   #13
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Great blog article from Swift Crafty Monkey. I learned things about CP soap and hair follicles I did not know. Thanks for sharing.

However, I stand by my coconut oil shampoo bar. It has not worked for everyone but it has worked for many, myself included without damage to my hair. In fact I have had many people ask me what I use on my hair because it looks healthy.

Having said that, again this shampoo bar has a substantial super fat and I have tested it and found it to be between 6 and 7 Ph. The blog article even says that with a PH that low a shampoo bar could be possible.

Also, the draw backs that she mentions are due in part to hard water. Hard water is brutal on so many things. Is is possible that soft water could counter act some of the draw backs?

Most people who use a shampoo bar only shampoo 2-3 times a week anyway and do take extra measures with apple cider rinses and other like treatments with great success.

With many additives in bottled shampoos like sodium laurel sulfate and others, you are also taking a chance. I still believe that shampoo bars are a natural alternative to hair care but like any product on the market intended for our bodies should be used with prudence and care.

Here is another blog post that would be worth a read for anyone interested in shampoo bars that is a more middle of the road opinion.

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...-shampoo-bars/

Great discussion! I have learned some things.
The operative word in paragraph 3 is "Shampoo", not Soap. Shampoo bars which are syndet bars do have a lower ph which is why we use shampoo for hair not soap.

If you are selling soap bars for shampoo I really hope you have good insurance especially if selling them to customers with long hair. Short hair will not show the damage over time since it is cut regularly, but long hair will. People take a lot of pride in their hair and lawsuits can get ugly.
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I am another one who used "shampoo" bars for my hair. I stopped when it started getting crunchy. I had to have a substantial portion cut off. Hair tolerates soap for a very short time. I would not hesitate to use it once or twice a year if my hair was especially dirty/oily, or to remove product build up, but no more than that.
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I have only been soaping for three years, and it looks like I have some more to learn. I have appreciated the new information that I have found here.

Obsidian, I have been using them for a little over a year, and I thank you for sharing your experience. I certainly would not want to sell something to someone that would be harmful. I also don't want to harm my own hair.

As far as the Ph level, I use a test strip and compared it to the color chart on the bottle which was a complete match. It's possible that the accuracy of these are not the best. It was an affordable bottle of strips I bought online. When I tested my bar, it was the exact color of green for 7 with a slight shade of yellow coming through for 6. I will certainly do some more research on testing bars.

Thank you all for sharing your experiences and knowledge.
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I had used Obsidian shampoo bars and I do believe it somehow stopped my hair loss, Then i made Syndet bars Susan http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.ca/
My hair is wonderful , not hair loss and no itching or dandruff. I will never use soap on my hair again
Soap will be no soap if ph is 6-7 . it will be a glob of soft mess.
Soap is between 10-12 ph
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...I have tested it and found it to be between 6 and 7 Ph. The blog article even says that with a PH that low a shampoo bar could be possible.
If it has a pH that low, the product has to be formulated with syndets (synthetic detergents), not lye soap. A lye soap with a pH that low is no longer actual soap -- it's going to be a messy mixture of fatty acids.

Swift's shampoo bars are all syndet based. They don't have a drop of lye soap in them whatsoever. That's why their pH can be lower than lye soap.

The use of pH strips is notoriously inaccurate when used with soap.

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...Also, the draw backs that she mentions are due in part to hard water. Hard water is brutal on so many things. Is is possible that soft water could counter act some of the draw backs?...
Soft water prevents or reduces the amount of soap scum that forms. It does not counteract the alkaline nature of a lye soap.

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...Most people who use a shampoo bar only shampoo 2-3 times a week anyway and do take extra measures with apple cider rinses and other like treatments with great success....
I would not make the assumption that people only shampoo 2-3 times a week. I happen to do this, but I know many people who feel very strongly about shampooing daily. I certainly did back in high school and college days when my hair was a lot oilier.

An acid rinse does help -- yes that is true. But it does not completely counteract the roughening effect of an alkaline soap; it just reduces the amount of damage that accumulates.

I'm another one who initially thought a lye based soap would be fine for shampooing my hair if I faithfully used an acid rinse. I was wrong. It took me about a year to be convinced, however. By that time, my fine wavy shoulder-length hair was rough and lifeless. Even my husband's much shorter hair was dull and had lost a lot of its wavy spring.

Lye soap as shampoo was the only option for people before about WWI, but keep in mind people back then didn't bathe or wash their hair even as often as 2 times a week. And even then many women used an acid rinse to counteract the damage.

If lye soap as shampoo works for some people, that's all to the good for them. But I honestly doubt it works well for many folks especially for long-term use.

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Sorry to say, but those pH test strips are less than useless for this purpose (they also do not work for salt water, and since soap is an alkaline salt of a fatty acid, this may be one reason why, besides micelles and stuff, but thats a different tangent). The only way to properly test soap is to dilute it in DI water and use a recently calibrated electronic meter.

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As far as the Ph level, I use a test strip and compared it to the color chart on the bottle which was a complete match. It's possible that the accuracy of these are not the best. It was an affordable bottle of strips I bought online. When I tested my bar, it was the exact color of green for 7 with a slight shade of yellow coming through for 6. I will certainly do some more research on testing bars.


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