First time made lotion --- RASH all over???

Vidasworld12 · Nov 7, 2017

Hi Everyone,

So on the weekend I made lotion for the first time - it was swift crafty monkey recipe

70 % water
15 % oil - ( i used avocado oil )
5 % shea butter
3 % cetyl alcohol
5 % polawax
1 % Fragrance oil - ( i used baby powder FO )
0.7 % germall plus

so I did all it asked BUT did forget to hold for extra 20 min - it was heated for aprox 30-35 min when i realized it was at 70c , then mixed water into oils then mixed with frother - the amount was too small for SB

waited for 45 c then added FO and Germall plus, let it cool , put into plastic bottle i bought from place i buy products from ( did spray bottle with alcohol prior to putting lotion in )

I applied to my whole body, next day everything was fine and I used on me and kids ... fast forward to 3rd day- today , I woke up and I had a rash all over .. mostly mid section , itchy, bright red... I clearly didnt put on anymore

so what happened?? The FO was my first thought- what do you guys think???its a small amount( 100 g ) so its not too bad throwing it out
But im just wondering if anyone experienced this and what could it be???

all replies are appreciated ...

thxx in advance

Cellador · Nov 7, 2017

I am new to lotion making, but my first thought is...do you have known allergies? Is this the first time you've used any of these ingredients?
I believe Polawax has a proprietary blend, so the manufacturer does not provide a list of ingredients, so maybe something there. Or, the FO like you mentioned.

Saponificarian · Nov 7, 2017

Liquid Germal Plus max usage is 0.5% I believe, that could give you issues. My other suspect will be Shea Butter maybe? Some people react to it. If it were me, I will eliminate Shea and then liquid Germal plus. I would try Phenoxyethanol or Phenonip

Vidasworld12 · Nov 7, 2017

Cellador said:
I am new to lotion making, but my first thought is...do you have known allergies? Is this the first time you've used any of these ingrefients?
I believe Polawax has a proprietary blend, so the manufacturer does provide a list of ingredients, so maybe something there. Or, the FO like you mentioned.

I dont have allergies to anything ( that im aware of ) I mean Ive used plenty of creams/lotions from all over ( store bought ) , so im sure the ingredients I used in this lotion ive come in contact before else where- and ive bought cheap brands in my past lol..

thx for the reply

Vidasworld12 · Nov 7, 2017

Saponificarian said:
Liquid Germal Plus max usage is 0.5% I believe, that could give you issues. My other suspect will be Shea Butter maybe? Some people react to it. If it were me, I will eliminate Shea and then liquid Germal plus. I would try Phenoxyethanol or Phenonip

HEY saponificarian!

So nice to hear from you again... you think its the preserve? so its 0.5%? the shea butter is refined- ive used plenty in my soaps

you think I should try with a 0.5 % on the preserve and see what it does.. I would hate to not be able to use it ... i didnt buy alot of it but its still such a waste

thxxx for always replying

SparksnFlash · Nov 7, 2017

Oh my, you could have an allergy to any one of those things (with the likely exception of water). It would be best to check with a doctor, but if you don't you might try putting a tiny dab of each ingredient on the inside of your arm. One per arm per day, and remember what you put on what arm, and see if you have a reaction to anything individually.

Vidasworld12 · Nov 7, 2017

Gini said:
Oh my, you could have an allergy to any one of those things (with the likely exception of water). It would be best to check with a doctor, but if you don't you might try putting a tiny dab of each ingredient on the inside of your arm. One per arm per day, and remember what you put on what arm, and see if you have a reaction to anything individually.

ya.. thats a good idea actually thxx

Vidasworld12 · Nov 7, 2017

Saponificarian ,

at what % should the phenonip or phenoxyethanol be used at?? is there info some where out there were I could look this info at?

thxxx

Cellador · Nov 7, 2017

Vidasworld12 said:
Saponificarian ,

at what % should the phenonip or phenoxyethanol be used at?? is there info some where out there were I could look this info at?

thxxx

Usually, .25% - 1%. But, Phenonip is a little more specific- it is inactivated by certain ingredients and it has to be added at different temperatures than LGP.

Just make sure to read the info provided by the seller.

penelopejane · Nov 7, 2017

I hope you have a really accurate scale. Measuring such tiny amounts means you have a lot of room for error. A couple of drops too many could take an ingredient from 1-4%.

Saponificarian · Nov 7, 2017

http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com.ng/p/preservatives.html?m=1 And Phenonip here. http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com.ng/2010/10/preservatives-phenonip.html?m=1.

The patch test makes a lot of sense. There is this voice in my head that keeps saying it’s the LGP. Get an accurate scale try it at 0.3%. Heat and hold for 20mins. I know Cetyl alcohol is very very safe, I would drop it simply because it is one less thing to worry about at this time and also the fragrance oil; You might have used it and be fine in soap but lotion stay on your skin longer than soap ehn? It’s an elimination game right now till you find out what could be the problem

carebear · Nov 8, 2017

Sounds like you became sensitized to one of the ingredients. Unfortunately, a single patch test won't tell you if that's going to happen. Was the fragrance oil skin safe for a leave-on product?

dixiedragon · Nov 8, 2017

Cellador said:
Usually, .25% - 1%. But, Phenonip is a little more specific- it is inactivated by certain ingredients and it has to be added at different temperatures than LGP.

Just make sure to read the info provided by the seller.

I know Phenonip is deactivated at certain temps, but I never read anything about certain ingredients! Link?

Saranac · Nov 8, 2017

dixiedragon said:
I know Phenonip is deactivated at certain temps, but I never read anything about certain ingredients! Link?

I think there's incompatibilities between Phenonip and polysorbates. EDITED TO ADD LINK: http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com/2010/11/preservatives-choosing-preservative.html

As for the allergy issue, have you used avocado before? I think that some who suffer from latex allergies have issues with avocado.

Dahila · Nov 8, 2017

avocado or shea butter, in soap it is different, remember shea butter contains natural latex. Had anyone get this reaction?
Germall would be a culprit too. someone said is max %0.5 !!!
Phenonip I use at 1% and it is more forgiving about temps that Germall. Phenonip will be deactivated if the temp is more than 70C ,
Polysorbate, deactivating even Susan is not 100% sure about it. No enough research about this, at least I had not find any research

Saranac · Nov 8, 2017

Dahila said:
No enough research about this, at least I had not find any research

I'm not sure if it's okay to post links to other forums, so I won't, but elsewhere I've scene talk about polysorbates deactivating some preservatives, and that you have to

"overwhelm the inactivation capacity of the polysorbates with a higher level of preservatives than would ordinarily be used without the presence of polysorbates in the formulation."

Not my words, but I can provide a link to the (forum) post if it's not against this forum's policies. . . . Otherwise, just google that entire quote and read on.

Cellador · Nov 8, 2017

dixiedragon said:
I know Phenonip is deactivated at certain temps, but I never read anything about certain ingredients! Link?

http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com/search?q=Phenonip&m=1
I think it is also deactivated by ceteareth 20 which is found in some e-waxes.

Dahila · Nov 8, 2017

I am not sure I use ewax with phenonip, I believe that it can be deactivated that why I use at 1%

magali · Nov 14, 2017

Can you use phenoxyethanol alone to preserve a lotion?

Susie · Nov 14, 2017

Gini said:
Oh my, you could have an allergy to any one of those things (with the likely exception of water). It would be best to check with a doctor, but if you don't you might try putting a tiny dab of each ingredient on the inside of your arm. One per arm per day, and remember what you put on what arm, and see if you have a reaction to anything individually.

Draw a circle on your skin (might be better to use your legs so they are covered) with Sharpie. Label what the ingredient is. Dab a small amount into that circle. Do not erase that circle for 72 hours.

Actually, with the rash occurring on the trunk first, it sounds more like an ingestion allergy. So, I have to ask if you are on any new medications or have eaten something that you don't eat very often. But you can develop an allergy to anything at any time, so rule out the lotion first, but then you need to look at the rest of everything.

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